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Al G
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Smoke
Al G, you are welcome to your doubts. I am very new to the processes involved for citizenship, I thought I explained pretty well in my last post what
motivated the question.
Have a nice evening. |
Look at your first statement:
"that is sort of a fastrack for Mexican citizenship process"
Who do you think would go the Slow-Track if this process was above the board??? unlike Longlegs, I read it as "who to contact to bribe" Same as
Dennis.
Another thing is your post about Dennis:
"It is good to know Dennis is not representative of most of the people who post on this site."
I hope you hang around long enough to realize this statement could not be farther from the truth...Dennis is among the most intellectual and fair
people here.
Until Longlegs (who is a good person) can quote the $5000 process, I would keep my money in my pocket...
Albert G
Remember, if you haven\'t got a smile on your face and laughter in your heart, then you are just a sour old fart!....
The most precious thing we have is life, yet it has absolutely no trade-in value.
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rts551
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The question is quite relevant for US people legally residing in Mexico. Although I am in the 2nd year of my FM-2 and doubt that I will change my
direction at this point, I have heard about the expedited dual citizenship route and have a friend who is investigating this option. Ity may be
bogus but then you never know. Having gone through the FM-3/FM-2 route, I sure would have liked an expedited permanent status. I am sure that there
are others that would like to know if this is a viable option.
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Smoke
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Al G, Dennis and I have used u2u to clear up the conficting opinions. As for your belief I was suggesting bribery you are just plain wrong. It was the
figure given to me by the friend, I have no idea if it was low, high or about right. To add the attack on my character based on that one statement
that you misinterpeded is way out of line IMO.
[Edited on 5-26-2007 by Smoke]
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Lee
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Morality yada yada yada
| Quote: | Originally posted by Smoke
Al G, Dennis and I have used u2u to clear up the conficting opinions. As for your belief I was suggesting bribery you are just plain wrong. It was the
figure given to me by the friend, I have no idea if it was low, high or about right. To add the attack on my character based on that one statement
that you misinterpeded is way out of line IMO.
[Edited on 5-26-2007 by Smoke] |
I didn't get the initial inquiry about fast track as bogus or immoral either. It read as a question about the possibility of one of many ways of
acquiring citizenship.
Don't take these responses personally, Smoke.
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bajajudy
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tehag
great link
thanks
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longlegsinlapaz
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| Quote: | | Until Longlegs (who is a good person) can quote the $5000 process, I would keep my money in my pocket... |
Al, thanks for your vote of confidence! I appreciate it!
I have two sources for my information...a friend who went through the process (totally legally & aboveboard)...and from personally speaking with
an often & highly recommended (both on this site & around town) La Paz lawyer, Miguel Izquierdo, phone 612-123-1844 (information provided with
Miguel's approval). I've been here full-time on an FM3 since 1999. Immigration has asked me if I wanted to apply for naturalization/citizenship each
year at renewal time for the past 4-5 years. I don't have the language skills required to take the test, and I am morally opposed to mordita in any
form to anyone! La Paz is my home, and I will not knowingly do anything to jeopardize that privilege. My personal experience in having built 2 casas
& having been "on hold" for final signature on the Environmental Impact Study to start construction on my 3rd; and FINAL; casa since December 2006
has given me extensive insight in dealing with the Mexican Federal bureaucracy. It can tend to be an expensive, frustrating & long drawn out
process more often than not, and not unlike the IRS, frequently, the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing! I tend to keep asking until
I get an apparent consensus...as opposed to the answer I was looking for! And then I ask for it in writing! No matter what country, the old saying about "ignorance of the law is no excuse" definitely applies even if the
"laws" were mis-quoted by numerous persons in a position to know!
My bottom-line recommendation to Smoke is to talk with a lawyer experienced in the naturalization process. His having asked for information here was
a viable starting point to get some information, but he'll need a lawyer involved in the process when & if he decides to pursue naturalization.
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Julie
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I took the test last year in La Paz, after 5 years with an FM3 and one with an FM2. The gave me a small informal oral interview (in Spanish) and a
test , about 20 questions that required written answers in spanish and a copy of the national anthemn with key words omitted that needed to be filled
in. This is through the SRE offices NOT immigration. The "vetting" time is anywhere from 1-2 years. This is the process dicated by the SRE web site.
Cost: 1300 pesos when you take the test, a balance of 1800 pesos when you pick up your paperwork after approval, all fees paid to the bank.
I have heard of others paying $500-$5000usd. Haven't seen any Mexican passports from this process yet. Is it fast tracked or side tracked, I don't
know. Just decided if I truely intended to be a citizen of Mexico I would go through the official channels.
And yes, many of those taking the short cut would scream bloody murder if this was being done in the US of A.
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Julie
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Yes there were several questions regarding Mexican Culture, history and art. The rest were primarily questions about your reasons for wanting to
become a Mexican citizen, your attitude about your country of origin, what your friends and family think about your decision... I think the point of
the test is to make sure you have a can speak, read and write spanish and have an understanding about the culture and history of the country.
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Smoke
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I have learned so much as a result of this post whoda thunk my little ol post
wooda raised such a rucus. Thanks for all the info I will definately get my feelings off my shirt sleeve and enjoy the bantor. It seems as I get
older(59) I take things too personal at times. Then when I cool off I think,("well that was stupid)" Thanks again
Smoke
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cabobaja
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You can apply for Mexican citizenship after having an FM3 for 5 years. You do not need a FM2.
There is a Nomand who is leaving Tuesday to Mexico City to receive his citizenship papers. He and I flew to Mexico City in November 2005 to start the
process. I returned to Mexico City in September of 2006 and received my citizenship papers and a week after I returned to Baja, I received my Mexican
passport via DHL. Received my Mexican Voter's ID in La Paz.
Forgot to mention: The Nomand returning to Mexico City to receive his citizenship papers applied after having his FM3 for 5 years.
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Al G
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Smoke check your u2u
Do you warch NASCAR...I have been a fan of Smoke since he was a rookie.
Albert G
Remember, if you haven\'t got a smile on your face and laughter in your heart, then you are just a sour old fart!....
The most precious thing we have is life, yet it has absolutely no trade-in value.
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Osprey
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Smoke, what works for me is every now and then I post a disclaimer admitting that I am a world class gossip, aspersion caster and conclusion jumper.
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Lee
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| Quote: | Originally posted by cabobaja
There is a Nomand who is leaving Tuesday to Mexico City to receive his citizenship papers. He and I flew to Mexico City in November 2005 to start the
process. I returned to Mexico City in September of 2006 and received my citizenship papers and a week after I returned to Baja, I received my Mexican
passport via DHL. Received my Mexican Voter's ID in La Paz.
Forgot to mention: The Nomand returning to Mexico City to receive his citizenship papers applied after having his FM3 for 5 years.
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Might as well add this: I know someone in La Paz, FM3 for about 7 years, who applied through an attorney in Mexico City -- who handled her
paperwork. Think it took her 2 years to get it. She admitted paying $2,000 which was a big discount. She claimed to not being tested and did
chit-chat with the people in the office where the paperwork was being done (Mexico City). She flew there for the initial paperwork, then again,
when it was done. It sounded easy to me. In 4.5 years when I apply, I'll fill you in. I'm going to Mexico City. (She did know that the La
Paz office (where appliation would be done) does ''test.'')
None of this sounds like a big deal. Just study your Spanish.
P.S. I would think a BIG benefit to getting the nationalization is real estate ownership in Mexico. Si?
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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Smoke
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Al G
Smoke check your u2u
Do you warch NASCAR...I have been a fan of Smoke since he was a rookie. |
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Smoke
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Yes Al I am a Nascar fan, I like Stewart but my favorite driver is Harvick.
I chose smoke because i am a retired Fire Battalion Chief.
Smoke
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Bajafun777
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Look attorneys are needed when doing documentation. Documentation that if not right at the time of turning the documents in could make a few years
turn into many and then to only be told too bad too sad they were done wrong. If I decide to get Mexico paperwork for dual citizenship I will use an
attorney. I will use the one in Mexicali that I used before, as she did a great job. Further, she speaks enough English to keep you on the right
track if your Spanish is not too great yet.
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bajabird
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Sorry Ive been out playing with the race cars....
Dennis, are you ok with my original answer? I hope all is well.
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bajabird
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Originally posted by bajabird
Any question is a good question. Some of the answers you get may be stupid though.
You can take the test (other have done it without speaking spanish and passed) for way less than 500.00 us. You can get nationalized that way.
Does morality mean anything to you? This board is not about promoting bribery...would you condone this in the US? you should check your class meter. I
am sure it is running on empty.
Al G, my comment was honest and sincere. I don't see how you thought my comment condoned anything about bribery or morality. I am currently in the
fm process, and will after the fm process is complete go and take the test in LaPaz which I have no doubt I will pass whether the questions include
history, art, culture or the anthem.
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Al G
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Smoke
I was told there is a program the government is doing now that is sort of a fastrack for Mexican citizenship process at a cost of around $500.00 U.S.
Anyone else heard agout this. |
bajabird
""Any question is a good question. Some of the answers you get may be stupid though.
You can take the test (other have done it without speaking spanish and passed) for way less than 500.00 us. You can get nationalized that way. ""
bajabird
""Al G, my comment was honest and sincere. I don't see how you thought my comment condoned anything about bribery or morality. I am currently in the
fm process, and will after the fm process is complete go and take the test in LaPaz which I have no doubt I will pass whether the questions include
history, art, culture or the anthem.""
Darn I thought we had settled this...so I will try one last time.
His (Smoke) original statement said nothing about going through the FM process...only ask about government program to Fast Track to
citizenship. My "bad" was assuming fasttrack was form "zero to citizenship" (will not beat myself up over it through) with him being new to the
process and I still do not know what FASTTRACK has to do with going through the FM3-2 Process and doing the 5 years.... I still have trouble with the
idea that someone would assume a government would abandon their own immigration law for anyone for $500.
I did tell Smoke I believe him.
My response to your post was because you too made no reference to using the legal FM process and doing your time, until now. Please post the normal
legal fees as I am sure we would all be interested.
When writing, it is difficult at best to understand a persons point of view, with or without all the facts.
Regards
Albert
Albert G
Remember, if you haven\'t got a smile on your face and laughter in your heart, then you are just a sour old fart!....
The most precious thing we have is life, yet it has absolutely no trade-in value.
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bajabird
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I got it now..... am also always up for baja humor
Ive been going down baja ways since 1964, and am in my 4th year of efe m ay 2. After this much time, Im just gonna get my immigrado, then go pay and
"take the test" and then wait to get the papers so no more fideocomiso fees.... and yearly paperwork fun. hmmmm I may miss the paperwork fun, I
like hangin out at the inmigration office
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