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DonBaja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
Would anyone care if they (Big BRO) KNOWS how long you have been in Mexico ? Do you intend to Lie about it ? Why ? |
A very suspecting group for such a simple question, and a very valuable wager. But I guess I should be careful about posting that I am betting because
I could be breaking the law (sarcasim).
Look I just didn't believe they collected that much data on everyone that crossed into mexico. I can't fathom that the government has their sheet
together that much.
Everyone get a fish taco and a couple beers and RELAX 
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Bob and Susan
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again...like mrbill says..
who cares what data the government collects
it doesn't even matter
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amir
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I believe that it is VERY plausible that such data is being collected. It would not take a whole bunch of electronic equipment to maintain that
database, and whatever it cost (and probably the price is astronomically inflated - but that's another issue), it would add to the budget of the
Security agencies who will then get enough money from Congress to keep the program going. This system perpetuates the illusion that we are being
protected as we pay for yet another government service that only benefits those who produce, control and maintain these administration's misguided
policies.
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Al G
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob and Susan
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mohammund |
OK I am not in the loop...what the hell are you talking about...mohammund ???Does he play Basketball?
Albert G
Remember, if you haven\'t got a smile on your face and laughter in your heart, then you are just a sour old fart!....
The most precious thing we have is life, yet it has absolutely no trade-in value.
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Bob and Susan
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sorry al
private joke w/ "dennis" of ensenada
if that's his name....
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bajabound2005
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Bob & Susan: you're right; around these parts we call him ODD Dennis...(just kidding, Dennis, but we couldn't let this one just walk by!) but he's still Dennis!!!
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob and Susan
remember his name isn't EVEN "dennis" |
[Edited on 6-9-2007 by bajabound2005]
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Bajafun777
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Let's say just for fun the system takes what is shown on a license plate and puts that into a system with the date and time the vehicle license plate
entered. Let's also say the system takes the same data on your way back into the U.S.A. Let's say it keeps that data and if your "Wanted" and that
is the "Wanted" person's vehicle or let's say on "parole or probation" in a vehicle these agencies have given that license number to Homeland
Security, because they are not suppose to be going into Mexico, then PoP goes the Weasel. The border officials detain them and local law enforcement
comes and takes them directly to jail they do not collect any game monies for passing Go!! Sometimes government is not as dumb as some may think.
Most times they can do even more difficult things than you ever dreamed of. Now Politicians are another story, dumb and full of uh of what word am I
looking for??????
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Iflyfish
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I recently saw a documentary in which it was reported that the government gathered the names of ALL registerd guests in Las Vegas for a New Years Week
end. They also reported on a very sophisticated telephone program, the one Alberto Gonzales went to the hospital to have Ashcroft, the hospitalized
Attorney General of the USofA sign, when they knew that it would not pass legal mustard. He refused to sign it cooincidently.
I for one believe that there is much more info being gathered on us than we could ever suspect.
I hope that pacifico is fresh and that someone will come forward and tell us what bells and whistles they really have.
I know I once was stopped at the Canadian border crossing and asked to pay duty on the case of wine I had packed away in my trailer. Go figure!
They didn't figure that one out by the spider lines on my cheaks.
Iflyfish
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Al G
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajafun777
Let's say just for fun the system takes what is shown on a license plate and puts that into a system with the date and time the vehicle
license plate entered. Let's also say the system takes the same data on your way back into the U.S.A. Let's say it keeps that data and if
your "Wanted" and that is the "Wanted" person's vehicle or let's say on "parole or probation" in a vehicle these agencies have given that license
number to Homeland Security, because they are not suppose to be going into Mexico, then PoP goes the Weasel. The border officials detain them and
local law enforcement comes and takes them directly to jail they do not collect any game monies for passing Go!! Sometimes government is not as dumb
as some may think. Most times they can do even more difficult things than you ever dreamed of. Now Politicians are another story, dumb and full of
uh of what word am I looking for?????? |
When I entered (twice) one day, I did not see anything that appeared to be surveillance gear at the Mexican station(I was there awhile walking
around). Let us say I missed it...so do you think the Mexican border people care enough to 1: collect info and 2: dutifully deliver to US customs so
the US would know how long you were in Mexico???
Then I must ask, why do they ask me how long I was in Mexico...to catch me in a lie?? Sounds sort of silly to me if they already had that info....
The first time I returned I said 1 hour and was not inspected...second time when I cross back I said 4 and 1/2 months...they sent 4 guys to inspect my
motorhome and I thought that was a quickie, because they really didn't look hard except in my freezer....I say all this to show there are systems in
place that are based on my answers not on what they already know...thats my story and I am sticking to it
Albert G
Remember, if you haven\'t got a smile on your face and laughter in your heart, then you are just a sour old fart!....
The most precious thing we have is life, yet it has absolutely no trade-in value.
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DENNIS
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Albert -------
The gate guards will ask any number of questions about any number of things and the answer isn't what's important to most of them.
"How long were you in Mexico?"
"How long were you in line?"
"Where were you born?"
What they look for is your condition while responding. Nervousness, poor concentration etc. If a person has to think, at length, about the year
he was born, he may have something more serious occupying his mind at that moment, prompting a more thorough investigation.
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Al G
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Albert -------
The gate guards will ask any number of questions about any number of things and the answer isn't what's important to most of them.
"How long were you in Mexico?"
"How long were you in line?"
"Where were you born?"
What they look for is your condition while responding. Nervousness, poor concentration etc. If a person has to think, at length, about the year
he was born, he may have something more serious occupying his mind at that moment, prompting a more thorough investigation.
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Boy...I guess he didn't like my condition...I was a little frazzled after being sent to Otay and got lost(never been there before) then 1 1/2 hrs. in
line with my heater running to keep my engine cooler then when I get there my mirrors would not fit between their damn post and there were no signs to
warn me....yeah my condition was not great... There must be a truck crossing somewhere....I
did not see any signs for that either
Cannot wait to do it again so I can see Baja.
Albert G
Remember, if you haven\'t got a smile on your face and laughter in your heart, then you are just a sour old fart!....
The most precious thing we have is life, yet it has absolutely no trade-in value.
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Bajafun777
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Al G it is not the Mexican side that has the system but the American side as your leaving the U.S. and entering into Mexico. U.S. would not depend on
Mexico for this kind of exchanging of information for reasons we all know. From the border U.S. has cameras system that can see into Mexico for quite
a ways and all around the Port. These Marchers that protest by the Ports oh what fools they are as they are on digital and U.S. has system that can
put physical faces to people they have had booking process in the pass. Again, do not sell the U.S. government short on what tech they have and you
have more security than you will ever know but as with all things nothing is 100% however it just keeps getting better and better. Later---bajafun777
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Al G
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Thanks Bajafun777...it does make sense, but way over the top spying on Americans leaving on vacation. I really do not care, as I have nothing to
hide...just can not see the necessity.
Albert G
Remember, if you haven\'t got a smile on your face and laughter in your heart, then you are just a sour old fart!....
The most precious thing we have is life, yet it has absolutely no trade-in value.
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tjvagabundo
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License plate numbers are captured when leaving and entering the US. The CBP wouldn't put the cameras up for nothing. If you have ever driven by one
of these cameras going into Mexico it's obvious that they start taking pictures when the motion of your car is detected.
The CBP calls the technology that does this license plate reader (LPR). Here are two links to information on the LPR system. The second link from the
oregon state police is more in depth.
http://www.cbp.gov/xp/CustomsToday/2001/December/custoday_lp...
http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0oGkkCcr2tGb.4ARSdXNyoA;_ylu=X3oD...
According to Wikipedia the data from the CBP LPR system is maintained for 1 year.
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Gnome-ad
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Two years ago when a friend of ours was crossing the border north caravanning with a friend, he was asked the typical – “Did you buy anything while in
Mexico?” He honestly answered that he had bought some beer and pointed to it behind the passenger seat of his pick up which had a camper on the back.
The officer informed him he had “too much beer” – twice the limit he should. I forget how much was too much. Our friend said he was caravanning with
the guy behind him and asked if he could he give half of the beer to him.
Evidently his friend had carried some illegal substance across the border before and had gotten caught. As soon as he said he was caravanning with the
vehicle behind him he was told to go to secondary as was his friend. He said it was because they check the license plates and run them against a data
base. As it turns out he had gone over a particularly bad tope on the way up and the inside of his camper looked like it had been put through a
blender. He said they looked in there and decided it would be more trouble than it was worth to go through all of his gear from a six week camping and
fishing trip. He still had to wait while they totally tore apart his friend’s rig. They did not find anything since his friend had decided not to be
stupid again.
My daughter’s husband used to be regularly pulled out of line whenever they were boarding planes and have his bags searched thoroughly, be patted
down, etc. She said it felt like he must fit some profile or something because it was every time. Turns out he shares the same name as someone the
government has labeled an “eco-terrorist” who is just now being sentenced for something he did. My son-in-law has not been pulled out of line since
this guy’s arrest. Perhaps just co-incidence.
I would venture that the government is interested in who crosses the border south – that is to say they might want to apprehend criminals before they
leave the country – and also interested in who is entering the country from the south – that is to say they might want to apprehend criminals coming
back into the country. As far as do they care how long you’ve been away I really can’t imagine that they care. How could they prove that you didn’t
come north and go south over and over in many different vehicles with many different people? But then again, they might care for some obscure and
inane reason that would be beyond my imagining. My ex worked at the NSA when in the military many years ago. The government knows more about all of us
than I like to think about.
The only normal people are the ones you don't know very well. - Ancis
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
Another cynical theory (mine) is that the equipment is more sophisticated and intelligent than the agencies that ordered them and use them.  |
Toneart, I like your
answer, and I don't find it cynical. You may be closer to the real situation than you think. CaboRon
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bajalou
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| Quote: | | I would venture that the government is interested in who crosses the border south – that is to say they might want to apprehend criminals before they
leave the country – |
The cameras are located where they are unable to stop the departing car. At least at both Mexicali crossings.
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aquaholic
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Dennis was right a few posts back...they're interested in your demeanor at the border. And, they're not waiting until you're in the booth to check on
you. You've all seen the bank of glass over the inspection booths at San Ysidro. Those are not all offices...there are rooms set up with officers
watching the vehicles waiting in line. They also have directional microphones to listen to conversations IN the vehicles. It's probably more
sophosticated that we can imagine, and it's a dangerous job.
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Bob and Susan
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at the border....
inspectors can listen to conversations without a court order
and
"that's ok with me"
make sure you have your id ready!!!
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by aquaholic
You've all seen the bank of glass over the inspection booths at San Ysidro. Those are not all offices...there are rooms set up with officers watching
the vehicles waiting in line. |
That's right. I've seen them up there with spotting scopes. It's not like they're trying to hide from anybody.
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