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Just got back from the marina. One of Arturo's pangas was able to trailer out on the north half of the ramp,but it looked a little rough. A friend
with a Bay Runner came into the marina,but decided to head north instead.
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Bob and jane
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We launched at the ramp a little late this morning, a bit after 6 a.m. Used the north side of the ramp--no problem. No one said a word. Bill
Earhardt was kind enough to radio us about 2 p.m. to let us know the bottom of the north side of the ramp had been torn out while we were on the
water! Bill met us north of the La Pinta and with help from Randy Hamman and Bill we had a fairly easy retrieve over the beach, using 4 low in the
little old Nissan pickup. Might have been a miserable surprise to back the trailer down and have it disappear at the bottom of the ramp! Looks like
its time to air down and practice our beach launches until.........................
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tehag
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ramp
Loreto ramp progress, June 11, 2007
South side pretty much gone, north under demolition. The plan, probably at least a little optimistic, is to resurface the south first and reopen it on
Thursday, the 14th OF THIS MONTH.
Pic is of the last of the south coming out.
The ramp is definitely closed at this time.
[Edited on 6-11-2007 by tehag]
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'nother pic
Accumulated rubble in parking lot.
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flyfishinPam
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UN-&#cking believeable!
So they actually allowed us to use the ramp yesterday. Woop de do! We launched just after six when I checked and saw others using the ramp. I was
specifically told on Saturday without being joshed that the ramp would be cerrado on Sunday so we thought we were getting off easy, or making our
voices heard, but no...instead of keeping it open for the rest of the day and properly informing the people that it would no longer be available on
Monday, they simply took the bottom pieces of concrete away from the North half of the ramp, rendering it useless to those needing to pull out their
boats that were already in the water.....
OK~ now cover your eyes if you're sensitive or if there are any young readers around.... this is just another F.U. to Loretanos, and visitors to
Loreto from the state (ROAD PAVING), fed (APIBCS) and municipal government (WATER WORKS). They did this on purpose right at the
start of the high season. No the ramp won't be fixed by Wednesday because they're telling you what you want to hear, you ought to know they do that
by now. Why don't you ask someone who is a native Loretano when they think it will be ready..... I''ve already done that and the concession is from 2
to 4 months, I was told six weeks. Again, they will tell you want you want to hear. So fact is you will need to make alternate plans if you cannot
launch from off the beach for most or all of this summer.
OH yes, thanks backninedan for driving our toyota to the beach and helping Francisco get the boat out yesterday, who woulda thought those imbecils
would tell the nice demolotion workers to get out there on a sunday morning just to send a message to us poor working stiffs.
And guy with a boat at momo's, I doubt you'll be able to launch by the 29th of June. If I am wrong and they do indeed construct an acceptable ramp by
Wednesday I will eat a live sardina on video!
WE suffer so Loreto Bay can sell more homes.
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flyfishinPam
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wakemall
This is bad. Close the ramp right in the middle of the fishing season. Who made this decision?????
Thanks,
Bret |
Best I never find out I haven't been so angry in a very long time and I'm ot alone either 
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Don Alley
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| Quote: | Originally posted by flyfishinPam
| Quote: | Originally posted by wakemall
This is bad. Close the ramp right in the middle of the fishing season. Who made this decision?????
Thanks,
Bret |
Best I never find out I haven't been so angry in a very long time and I'm ot alone either |
API is a state organization-Unidos Vamos Por Mas!
Director General, Arq. Brian Westall Gonzalez email direccion@bajaport.com
http://www.bajaport.com/
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flyfishinPam
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Oops my bad then I'm mad at the state for API and for not paving the roads. I guess my federal taxes are going to a good cause  and my state and muni taxes are going to fund more ineptness on the local level. Now
how can a muni marina and ramp that was once constructed by the feds get turned over to fonatur now be in the hands of the state? quien sabe ~
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jerry
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what does loreto bay have to do with rebuilding the boat ramp??
jerry and judi
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flyfishinPam
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jerry
what does loreto bay have to do with rebuilding the boat ramp?? |
oh Jerry, defender of Large developments in sensitive water lacking areas...Here goes, well we in Loreto have been living with these "improvements"
for six months and still not one block is paved yet. The waterworks that were installed were part of a deal to improve the infrastructure to handle a
population of 30-40,000. FAct is that Loreto Bay has a biggest stake in this scenario, they have a proposed 13,000 units which is the sum of their
hotel rooms and homes and according to GEA and other reliable sources, for every ONE unit constructed, TWENTY new persons come to this area to support
them. So for that 13,000 new units we will have another 260,000 persons in Loreto. do you really think that this town can support that number of
persons? seriously? LB is planning nicely for the population of buyers will will come there to live but they are failing to plan for the additional
260K new persons it will take to support their sustainable village. Now remember the city was recently blessed with the new responsiblity of handling
the waste generated from Loreto and nopolo. too bad this new infrastructure that we've been dealing with all this time will be unable to handle
what's coming. it will be outdated and obsolete for the needs of Loreto in short order. Now the rampa is also part of these improvements and it is
an insult to those of this town who are directly affected because 1) they decided to do this right in the high season for fishing and 2) they never
informed the people directly affected by this repair of the closure! I am insulted by the treatment that I as a businessperson who pays significant
taxes is getting, I am disgusted with how my colleagues and neighbors are being treated. Jerry is your income being affected by these changes? Mine
is and so is that of every other negociante in this town. Loreto Bay and this new breed of immigrant into this town wants to change this place into
their own private club, I have this message loud and clear. I;m not invited, you're not invited and most of the town isn;t invited either. Those
that think they are, the politicos aren't really invited either and its time for us to get together and fire them all! hope that's a good answer for
ya
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Don Alley
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jerry
what does loreto bay have to do with rebuilding the boat ramp?? |
And a little more...
Take one BIG developer and their media campaign, and others follow. Not just other developers, but carpetbagging government agencies. We'll see more
state and federal guys looking for violations and fines to collect. More state and federal guys looking for fees to collect. More state and federal
guys chopping up Loreto into their own little fiefdoms: Fonatur gets this, Singlar gets that, API gets that, etc.
Never mind that most of these bureaucracies have little experience in managing the infrastructure that they are running, and they don't have the
connections or the skills to communicate effectively with those that their actions affect.
API has taken the Loreto darsina, now renamed "Puerto Loreto," to collect the $10 US that each cruise ship passenger is assessed (whether they make
landfall or not). They griped about sugggestions that they were responsible for fixing a launch ramp that does not make revenue for them. "So, you
want it fixed, here you go...we'll fix it NOW." THEIR plan was that the gringos could all haul their boats to PE and get soaked with the Singlar (the
private boat marina bureaucracy) high fees. It's the new Loreto, with a huge and ever widening gap between Mexicans (increasingly mostly mainlanders)
and gringos, gringos who will be expected to pay dearly, with most of that money going to out of the area fatcats.
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jerry
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im sorry pam and who ever else has been effected buy the construction
i do believe that mexico has the right to do as they please its there country if your a mexico or a citisen of mexico you have the right to vote and
change what you can
as a gringo im a guest and that is where my influence here ends
i belive that the people who are buying places at loreto bay have the same rights that i do
so all improvements to loretos infrastructure,streets, hospital and boat ramp are all bad things? perhaps the timeing isnt good?? but i think its a
far streach to blame everything negative that happens on loreto bay
people have complaned that water was being waisted for years and years so when its fixed and is inconvent its loreto bays fault??
the hospitals in loreto were worthless as far as im conserned so there a chance that the new one will be better lets condem it because of loreto bay??
a whole lot of people have been complaning about the boat ramp for at least 14 yrs that i been going to loreto and not too long ago the people on this
board where right there complaning too so its getting fixed lets drag loreto bay throu the dirt for that too??
dont get me wrong i think everyone should have been notified of the closuer and it could have been done at a better time but then its mexico and
things happen different here as they allways have
jerry and judi
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Don Alley
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jerry
...i do believe that mexico has the right to do as they please its there country if your a mexico or a citisen of mexico you have the right to vote
and change what you can
as a gringo im a guest and that is where my influence here ends
i belive that the people who are buying places at loreto bay have the same rights that i do... |
I often see similar sentiments posted here. I just don't agree. Sure, they have the POWER to do what they want. But I just don't buy into the implied
moral relativism. Some things are just not right, regardless of your nationality, culture, tastes, or wealth. Legality only shields one from the law,
not from criticism. And if there is a Hell, not from that either. "But gee, Satan, my lawyer said it was legal." 
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jerry
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then i suggest that all who want to protest should let themselves be known to the oppistion and God Help You because the law is the only thing that
civilized people have
everyone who breaks the law feels that there above it, their reason is justified
when you find your selves shipped out of mexico then you can have another thing to portest and you can blame loreto bay for that too??
dont californacate mexico
jerry and judi
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flyfishinPam
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jerry
dont californacate mexico |
so how do you know my particular immigration status? how can you say who will be thrown out of the country?
seriously your comments become more incoherent by the day
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tehag
Loreto ramp progress, June 11, 2007
South side pretty much gone, north under demolition. The plan, probably at least a little optimistic, is to resurface the south first and reopen it on
Thursday, the 14th OF THIS MONTH.
Pic is of the last of the south coming out.
The ramp is definitely closed at this time.
[Edited on 6-11-2007 by tehag] |
Closing the ramp for a few weeks to rebuild it seems practical. Maybe the contractor and city guys need to do it when they have staff available. No
matter what time they do it, someone will be inconvenienced, so what's a little inconvenience, if in the end the world has a shiny new boat ramp and
all live happily ever after?
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looking at the pictures, and having never been there i'm left wondering......are they only removing/repairing down to the waterline? or are they gonna
drive piles and pump out the water so they can fix what is below the waterline. or do you just back up until it drops off the edge? the picture looks
like there's a ledge at the edge............
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backninedan
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Woody,
There is a ledge, it was filled with what looked like pre-formed blocks. I'm guessing they will do something similar this time. Pour the proper
shapes on land and then set them in place. But I may be totally wrong. We shall see.
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jerry
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first of all my coment wasnt directed at you pam
i have never said i knew your immagration status however i do know you are married to a mexican national i said those who can vote can votefor
whatever
and guests who have involved them selves in politics in mexico are asking for trouble and it sure as hell isnt up to me
when i hear coment here that it is more nobal to break the law of the land then to obey it i really wonder where peoples heads are at??
jerry and judi
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Don Alley
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
Closing the ramp for a few weeks to rebuild it seems practical. Maybe the contractor and city guys need to do it when they have staff available. No
matter what time they do it, someone will be inconvenienced, so what's a little inconvenience, if in the end the world has a shiny new boat ramp and
all live happily ever after? |
Yes, it does seem practial. Except that for many months API said no. They would not fix it. They could have fixed it in December, when the wind gave
us just 4-5 possible fishing days. But fixing it in June? Doh!
But if they have it open by Thursday, all is forgiven and we get to see someone eat a live sardinia on video!
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