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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
Wealth at that level is beyond my comprehension. What motivates folks like Slim or Gates? Sheer mortality? One thing for sure, they're way beyond
transcending base material concerns and now have to deal with their face in the mirror in a manner that most folks never will...
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Yeah, Larry! Interesting contemplation.....matters of the soul.
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Much of the poverty in the southeast states (Chiapas, et al.) is self-imposed by the Mexican government. Those states are heavily populated by
indigenous, and the government, through its army, has tried genocide, with the massacres of Acteal, military encampments and displacement,
collaborating with multinationals in taking their land for oil and coffee, thus pushing them to live in the highlands where the land is steep and
rocky where corn does not grow as abundantly; the government does not give the indigenous communities funds for schools, medical clinics; drill wells
for clean water; the multinationals do not deal with them fairly in purchasing their coffee, i.e., there is no market for crops; US multinationals
have tried mightily to replace numerous indigenous corn species, which have evolved and endured for centuries, with bioengineered corn. The
indigenous were successful in keeping out the bioengineered corn - if it had succeeded, it would never have fed those dependent on it.
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I can fix it for you
| Quote: | Originally posted by Don Alley
And I wish Carlos Slim's people would fix my dammed home phone so I can call cell phone #s. |
How much is it worth? 
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"Baja California Sur and the northeastern state of Nuevo Leon, with respective poverty rates of 27.5 percent and 23.5 percent."
Now if this were Mexican FOX (News?) reporting that would be a "wealth" rate for nearly 2/3 of Baja Sur residents living in luxury.
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Iflyfish
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It all depends on how you spin it:
Just copied from Google News, two different papers, two different headlines.
Bush Officials Say No Plan to Change Iraq Strategy Now, Voice of America
White House in 'Panic Mode' Over GOP Revolt on Iraq, ABC News
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wilderone
Much of the poverty in the southeast states (Chiapas, et al.) is self-imposed by the Mexican government. Those states are heavily populated by
indigenous, and the government, through its army, has tried genocide, with the massacres of Acteal, military encampments and displacement,
collaborating with multinationals in taking their land for oil and........... |
Unfortunately sounds like the U.S. for the last 200 years. Nothin changes just a different time frame. We fixed it up here though - casinos -
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I have been traveling Mexico as a tourist for about 30 years and have seen positive changes. For example in my extended family my wife is Mexican,
she had no chance for a formal education and this is also true with her brothers and sisters-they are from Dist. Federal. However, the- children of my
wife's brothers and sisters and my wife's children have in many cases obtained advanced education- University degrees.
Also I have seen improvements in infrastructures-highways, airports,etc.
Walmart, Homedepot, and other large corporations would not be putting stores here if they did not have faith in Mexico's future.
I agree that there is poverty in Mexico, Mexico recognizes it and hopefully in the recognizition of this fact, they will work to correct it.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bacquito
I agree that there is poverty in Mexico, Mexico recognizes it and hopefully in the recognizition of this fact, they will work to correct it.
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Great story, and I applaud your family's achievements. But somehow I doubt that they got much help from the government. In a system where free
education ends at the sixth grade, poverty will tend to replicate itself. Charging a family in poverty $150+/year for tuition, not counting books,
uniforms, transportation, etc., creates enough of a barrier to guarantee change won't be happening real fast.
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There is poverty everywhere in every country. The key has been and always will be education and that doesn't necessarily mean in a school house. There
are many ways to educate yourself. When one applies their education with their various experiences they will move ahead gaining more experience and
education. It's the choices one makes in life that determine where you will go and what you will become. This applies to all except the mental and
physical handicapped to certain degrees and that's where the government, churches and other charity organizations must step in.
We talk of Slim being so wealthy but what about the people who own and run the big grocery stores, hotels and resturants. Auto dealers and TV and
radio stations. The factories have managers and supervisors of all levels. Surely most of these people are very well to do and some must be rich by
any standard. The people that run PEMEX and the power companies. I think there are more well to do people than some think just because much of the
Mexican economy is by cash and therefore hard to track. If you had a business and was paid mostly in cash how would the government know how much you
made. In the U.S. it could come back to bite you when you retire because it would affect your social security.
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Here's another slant on poverty in Baja as it relates to the rest of the world. I posted it as its own thread, but it was moderated directly to
off-topic. I disagree. I think that poverty is a relative thing and that seeing Baja's poverty in context is important. I hope you don't also think
I'm wasting your time.
http://www.miniature-earth.com/me_english.htm
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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I wondered what happened to that thread! I saw it, clicked on the link, and went back to it, and it was gone! Thanks, V for posting it. Perhaps it
is more appropriate here, and it offers a good perspective on poverty.
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