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pacificobob
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nice fish...
ignore the self appointed eco-cops...who werent there, and stand ready to convict based on half the story... a fish killed by trolling is every bit
as dead as one speared
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David K
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Roberto, rearding the fish (if legally caught): I believe in God and verticle alignment. If you have nothing nice to say about anything, please
**************, I am tired of your personal attacks and name calling... Read Nomad posting rules.
[Edited on 8-8-2007 by BajaNomad]
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n8nlee
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| Quote: | Originally posted by pacificobob
ignore the self appointed eco-cops...who werent there, and stand ready to convict based on half the story... a fish killed by trolling is every bit
as dead as one speared |
Thanks, yeah those types don't bother me at all. There's this kind of derisiveness even among spearos. "don't kill calicos, don't kill
sheephead...etc"
RE: trolling... until he dives down to 65 feet of water on one breath, crawls into a 10' deep cave trying to dislodge a 140lb fish while trying not
to get bit by a peeed off moray or get tangled in cable...repeatly for an hour, only then will I concede that death by trolling is more sporting.
[Edited on 8-8-2007 by n8nlee]
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Roberto
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Roberto, rearding the fish (if legally caught): I believe in God and verticle alignment. If you have nothing nice to say about anything, please
*************, I am tired of your personal attacks and name calling... Read Nomad posting rules. |
Hey, David -
The only subject I have little nice to say about is YOU.
I know this is stretching ****************, but you should start by NOT attacking others. That's exactly what you did in your previous post,
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And, by the way, the word is VERTICAL (whatever it means in this context), ****************.
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[Edited on 8-8-2007 by BajaNomad]
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David K
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In this example, regarding man and animals:
God is at the top
Then comes man... and
God placed the animals below man, to serve man.
Vertical alignment is also used to show the relationship of God, Family, Government...
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rhintransit
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
He said: " ...I take a breath and head down."
That sounds like no dive tanks were used, to me...? |
getting 'gear ready for a shore dive,' 'three suits,' 'head off to the first dive spot', 'in about 50' of water' and 'dive buddy' lead me to think
that tanks might be involved.
well, it wasn't clear. maybe the author can enlighten us?
reality\'s never been of much use out here...
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rhintransit
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
He said: " ...I take a breath and head down."
That sounds like no dive tanks were used, to me...? |
getting 'gear ready for a shore dive,' 'three suits,' 'head off to the first dive spot', 'in about 50' of water' and 'dive buddy' lead me to think
that tanks might be involved.
well, it wasn't clear. maybe the author can enlighten us? |
Maybe he needs to fess up... Dive tank (scuba) spear fishing is TABOO in Mexico... agreed
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n8nlee
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rhintransit
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
He said: " ...I take a breath and head down."
That sounds like no dive tanks were used, to me...? |
getting 'gear ready for a shore dive,' 'three suits,' 'head off to the first dive spot', 'in about 50' of water' and 'dive buddy' lead me to think
that tanks might be involved.
well, it wasn't clear. maybe the author can enlighten us? |
I'm not sure what you've quoted suggested scuba gear.
'gear ready for a shore dive' - gear like mask, fins, speargun, floatline, float
'three suits' - reef camoflage, bluewater camo, 5mm top (in case water was colder than what terrafin said
'head off to the first dive spot' - because we went to more than one spot, I had to use that statement to identify it as the first spot? How does
that insinuate use of scuba gear?
'dive buddy' - a friend that I dive with...a person who spots me from the surface while I make deep dives.
I fail to see what any of those statements lead you to think we were on scuba.
Spearfishing on scuba is illegal in Mexico. Spearfishing with a pneumatic speargun is illegal in Mexico.
I realized that no where above did I specifically say we did not use scuba. So I'll add this:
I nor my buddies used scuba on this trip (or any trip for that matter). My dive buddies and I only spear fish while freediving (on a single breath of
air).
[Edited on 8-8-2007 by n8nlee]
[Edited on 8-8-2007 by n8nlee]
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Roberto
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
Beautiful grandaddy fish. Too bad it's gone now. 
--Larry |
Yeah, but it's a TROPHY now. Something to brag to your friends (or internet boards) about 
Sportsmen my ass.
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n8nlee
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Guys guys, don't be sad. We saw bigger fish while retrieving this lil' fella. We'll be going back next year better equipped to do it right. 
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BMG
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Are you sure you weren't bait fishing?
Because you sure opened a can of worms!
I think the world is run by C- students.
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n8nlee
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BMG
Because you sure opened a can of worms!
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I was trolling...
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n8nlee
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
| Quote: | Originally posted by n8nlee
Guys guys, don't be sad. We saw bigger fish while retrieving this lil' fella. We'll be going back next year better equipped to do it right.
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Like with a camera? Now THAT would merit respect. As I already said, I do admire your freediving ability.
But not your person. Why kill for sheer ego gratification?
--Larry |
I'm crushed.
My freediving skills aren't worthy of admiration. There are guys like my buddy that can dive twice as deep and stay three times longer.
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Don Jorge
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Nice fish!
I always have thought the Mexicans should make grouper hunting like bighorn sheep hunting.
A complicated permit process and charge say 5 grand for the permit with selected guides in selected zones, all strictly regulated and the money going
to the ejidos y ejidatarios. Well, maybe some of the money goes elsewhere!
Don't feed the trolls!
�And it never failed that during the dry years the people forgot about the rich years, and during the wet years they lost all memory of the dry
years. It was always that way.�― John Steinbeck
"All models are wrong, but some are useful." George E.P. Box
"Nature bats last." Doug "Hayduke" Peac-ck
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Minnow
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Jorge, you sure are. This quacks entire story is made up. Notice there are no specific details. The place is not named, the date is not given.
Nothing that would validate his story. Not to mentioned the doctored photo. Imagine sending a panguero home so you can get some more sleep. The guy
would have demanded his money, and left. There would have been no chance to do it a second day.
Proud husband of a legal immigrant.
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backninedan
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Don't let your "dive buddies" out dive you. Next dive, try to go three times deeper and four times longer than you ever have before.....
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n8nlee
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| Quote: | Originally posted by backninedan
Don't let your "dive buddies" out dive you. Next dive, try to go three times deeper and four times longer than you ever have before.....
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Thanks for the advice, but I'll leave that kind of advice and diving to your wife and kids.
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n8nlee
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Minnow
Jorge, you sure are. This quacks entire story is made up... |
So don't you feel stupid for all those posts to a piece of fiction?
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Minnow
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Must be some life you live to have to put these kind of fabrications together. I bet you have an imaginary friend too.
Proud husband of a legal immigrant.
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Don Jorge
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No worries Minnow. I have seen this stuff over and over on other boards especially freedive spearfishing boards. They are just having fun and also
flexing ego.
However, as Nate mentioned, within the spearfishing community controversy prevails also. Post a picture on one of those boards of a bagged sheephead
or a calico and duck for cover.
I dive, with and without tanks. I was never a fanatic, just enjoy getting under the water as much as I enjoy being on top of the water.
Nowadays I don't shoot the big boys, sheephead, don't care for the meat, but I will take just the right size and colored calico for supper. When i
was younger and dumber I shot everything. What a burros behind I was.
Most of the oldtimers have seen the devestation of the big fish and are torn between lthe younger generations right to fish and their desire to
preserve the resource so our grandchildren can experience the wonder and awe we feel when we encounter these wonderful beasts of the deep.
Concerning this specific post grouper and cabrilla in Baja and Mexican waters are resources which belong to the Mexican people. There are just a few
big boys left down there, they take a few decades to grow out to that size and they belong to the Mexicans. I think there should be permit process
to protect the resource yet provide opportunity for those willing to pay to play.
�And it never failed that during the dry years the people forgot about the rich years, and during the wet years they lost all memory of the dry
years. It was always that way.�― John Steinbeck
"All models are wrong, but some are useful." George E.P. Box
"Nature bats last." Doug "Hayduke" Peac-ck
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