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Skeet/Loreto
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Well Said Roberto!
Did you not notice my words about First Aid?
There are more lives saved at Accidents by good First Aid than there are by MRI"s in a Hospital.
Do you think an MRI could stop the bleeding of a Severed Arm?
I may be an Old Fart, but you do not get anywhere by running down and Bad Mouthing a Country and its People nor its Care.Especially when we have a
Country full of Drug Addicts, Gangsters, and People who care only for themselves, without Ethics, are the ability to help their Fellowman.
Maybe that we should try to clean up our own House before we start on our Neighbors!!
Do you show your Care for the Mexicano People by Bad Mouthing the Urgent Care?
How about teaching some of the Baja Travelers First Aid?
Skeet/Loreto
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Roberto
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Do you show your Care for the Mexicano People by Bad Mouthing the Urgent Care?
How about teaching some of the Baja Travelers First Aid?
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I'm not bad mouthing anyone - I'm just telling the truth as I see it. And, teaching travellers first aid, while a good idea, will not solve the
problems I outlined above.
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
How were they evacuated so quickly? I haven't found that info here. Because they were caravaning, did the fact that friends were immediately on hand
contribute to the evacuation? Were they proactive and did they they negotiate with medical services themselves? Were Medavac or any agencies involved?
It does appear that local medical services and clinics played a crucial role in saving at least one life.
This information could help any of us in future need. We have just been discussing medical evacuation in another thread. As usual, there are a lot of
differing opinions. So, how did this group accomplish it? |
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Dave
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OK if I take a shot?
| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Do you show your Care for the Mexicano People by Bad Mouthing the Urgent Care? |
Explain why emergency vehicles aren't afforded right-of-way.
Kinda blows holes through that compassionate theory, don't it? 
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Dave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
Huh? My observation is that they usually are. |
Then it must just be a local custom...in TJ, Rosarito and Ensenada.  I
have never seen a local alter their driving habits for an emergency vehicle...ever.
Folks do respect funeral processions, however.
Die first...then comes compassion.
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oxxo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
Then it must just be a local custom...in TJ, Rosarito and Ensenada. I
have never seen a local alter their driving habits for an emergency vehicle...ever.
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I don't profess to be an expert on this subject, but just this last week there was an ambulance that was on the careterra in the middle of San Jose
during rush hour (which is 7am to 7pm). Most everyone tried to get out of the right of way to let the ambulance pass. This has been my general
experience.
But just like some California drivers, some Mexican drivers just don't have a clue when it comes to emergency vehicles.
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pangamadness
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Night driving
Add one word to the incident and consider the outcome,” DARKNESS" They were smart enough to drive during the day.
I still have friends who do the same trip and they pack the kids in the camper and drive all night. Bad idea!
Glad to hear all survived! I too would like to hear more about how they got air transport so fast. Maybe air evac insurance, or did they have the
money to write the check?
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Skeet/Loreto
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There are going to be Accidents on the Narrow Roads of Baja. Prepare yourself! Do not drive at Night unless an Emergency and if driving at Night try
to do it from 4 Am.
Visitors from the State must change their way of thinking, using the sometimes Mentality of the States were you are taught to expect being taken care
of by a Govt. Agency should be discarded!
Learn First Aid, take along a good Kit, be Prepared like the Boy Scouts are Taught. Learn as much of the Language as you can.
Adventure! But use Common Sense when Traveling in Baja.
Skeet/Loreto
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toneart
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I keep asking................How were they evacuated out of Baja? Of course, most don't know, but somebody does. Did they have a
system in place? Did they use an emergency coordinator such as Binational? Did they start from scratch? The original story said they spent overnight
in a clinic and then were airlifted to San Diego.
These people somehow got evacuated pretty quickly, after the most seriously injured were stabilized locally. Can their experience give us any
guidance?
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David K
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When Highway One was completed in Central Baja (Dec. 1, 1973), we were told the extra narrow section of the highway, between San Quintin and San
Ignacio, was temporary (done to complete the project within budget and on time)... and that it would be widened soon!
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woody with a view
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
There are going to be Accidents on the Narrow Roads of Baja. Prepare yourself! Do not drive at Night unless an Emergency and if driving at Night try
to do it from 4 Am.
Visitors from the State must change their way of thinking, using the sometimes Mentality of the States were you are taught to expect being taken care
of by a Govt. Agency should be discarded!
Learn First Aid, take along a good Kit, be Prepared like the Boy Scouts are Taught. Learn as much of the Language as you can.
Adventure! But use Common Sense when Traveling in Baja.
Skeet/Loreto |
greater words were never spoken!
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Jack Swords
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When I rolled my Toyota truck between La Paz and Constitution I was the only occupant. Every passerby stopped to help, made sure I was OK, spent
hours picking up my scattered stuff from a stuffed camper shell that was thrown off and off the road. It was all placed in the overturned camper,
then in the righted truck. Noone would take any money for their help. Semi trucker dragged my truck off the road with a chain and called a tow
truck. I might have observed those picking up my fishing equipment, etc. and concluded that they were helping themselves, but that certainly was not
the case. It would not have mattered anyway as I was glad to be alive. That some people will take advantage of an accident is credible, but the
above accident is probably more common.
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Minnow
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When Scotty from SLC rolled his moho in roughly the same spot as these folks, the first Nationals on the scene stole 350 US right off him, as he and
his wife hung upside down. Finders keepers in MX.
Proud husband of a legal immigrant.
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oldhippie
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toneart, it was either airplane or ambulance. Not many med-evac airplanes around, so I bet they were packed into ambulances for a high speed run to
the border, but I don't know. Some posting mentioned they were in San Diego in 24 hours. Probably ambulances for the severly injured, friend's cars
for the rest.
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Minnow
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Doesn't the story say the most badly injured were sent to GN for a night, so the air ambulance could come pick them up there in the AM? The other two
were sent north with their friends who were traveling with them. It's all in the story posted here.
Proud husband of a legal immigrant.
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shari
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First of all, I am thankful for the survivors, they were extremely lucky and probably due to the lack of seat belts and good karma. I have lived in
this part of baja for 18 years and assisted in too many accidents exactly like this one...mostly helping the survivors, guarding their stuff, and
helping them through the turmoils of death of a loved one and the logistics of dealing with that here. In ALL cases the authorities have been very
good at arranging airvacs out...either by plane or helicopter....they are the first to try to get the ball rolling to get the victims to a better
hospital as soon as they are stabilized. I commend them on their efforts in emergency situations. Now, I want to stress the importance of driving
carefully here...most accidents happen in the day as drivers are more confident and drive faster and take more risks on straight stretches...plus do
things like change the CD, talk on the radio, crack a beer, eat a taco etc....dropping a single tire off the shoulder often spells DEATH...do NOT
forget this...a second can ruin your life...drive SLOW no matter what even if you have to stay behind a slow truck...take extreme caution....ya know
all you extreme sport folks....if you could only practise extreme caution on the road things would be better. I cannot stress this enough...GO
SLOW....NEVER take your eyes off the road and for goddess sake...be more careful with trailers of any kind....here they always tell us...if ya drop a
tire onto the shoulder...NEVER try to get back on the highway....go down into the ditch, it will suck but it beats rolling over. Another point I would
like to make is that I would be happy to supply our phone # to anyone coming this way...I make sure all our amigos have it just in case anything like
this happens...we are a phone call away and can either get to you to offer assistance or can send someone who can...we know many doctors, cops etc. in
the area and we know how things work here and could help things go smoother and maybe save lives too....its' always good to have a phone number of a
local mexican in times of need and guys like Juan my husband have family all up and down the baja to call on in an emergency like this. Please take
some more precautions to avoid bad juju. We often offer this advice/assistance and I see folks kind of rolling their eyes at me like I am too cautious
or something but I tell ya nomads....you will be glad someday to have a phone # in your wallet. Again sorry to the surfers who suffered so but this
will serve to warn others and maybe save alot of lives in the future.
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craiggers
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
When Highway One was completed in Central Baja (Dec. 1, 1973), we were told the extra narrow section of the highway, between San Quintin and San
Ignacio, was temporary (done to complete the project within budget and on time)... and that it would be widened soon! |
Extra narrow section of the highway, between San Quintin and San Ignacio? That's funny, I never noticed any difference. How much narrower is it? They
should have saved money by leaving out those little white concrete suicide polls just off the shoulder. What are they there for? Just to remind you
that if you are hanging off the shoulder that you have really screwd up and
100kph=62mph
80kph=49mph
60kph=37mph
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[Edited on 8-13-2007 by craiggers]
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Cypress
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Roads without a shoulder leave no margin for error. You run off the road, as
Shari says "ride it out". Have lived over a hundred miles from reliable medical care, anybody asked about my family doctor, my family doctor was a
helicopter ride.
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Hook
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Craiggers, it does narrow noticeably around SQ. I think maybe it starts at the bridge just past Motel Chavez and narrows even further near the bridge
over the huge arroyo south of SQ.
Look for it next time you're down...........anyone driving a larger vehicle or towing notices it immediately/
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bajalera
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Seems to me that a shortage of docs and health-care services is pretty much the common state of affairs in places that lack enough population to
support investment in these needs. Baja California is obviously such a place, and a substandard road adds to the problem.
But if Ensenada, Mulege, Santa Rosalia and La Paz were all cities that were home to as many people as San Diego, and a six-lane highway linked
them-----well, who among us would want that?
There are trade-offs in being a true-blue Bajaficionado, and it's good news that the people involved in the recent wreck escaped with their lives.
\"Very few things happen at the right time, and the rest never happen at all. The conscientious historian will correct these defects.\" -
Mark Twain
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