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amir
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I would never check a website called "Viva La Baja."
There was a discussion on this board a few weeks ago about the appropriateness of calling Baja, "La Baja". I know people still use that expression,
that's their choice, but then that's exactly why I am not interested in this project...
-- Amir
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by amir
I would never check a website called "Viva La Baja."
There was a discussion on this board a few weeks ago about the appropriateness of calling Baja, "La Baja". I know people still use that expression,
that's their choice, but then that's exactly why I am not interested in this project...
-- Amir |
Good points Amir but, I think it was "The Baja."
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BajaBad
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Seriously Osprey -- no worries! I posted a question asking for story submissions from anyone interested -- said nothing about taking any info off of
previous posts from this board, or using anything as a ībase for merchandising - nor would I.
I hope that is clear. Most of the responses to a very simple, and non-antagonizing request I made (read the initial posting requesting stories) have
been a bit - if not more so - hostile in nature. I am starting to wonder what Baja Nomads has become since the last time I used to read and reply to
posts. I hope this is just a bad day.
I appreciate the responses I have gotten from folks with great info who would enjoy being a part of this venture.  Thank you much.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Osprey
But seriously folks.......as I understand it all the things that have appeared on this board are the property of Doug Means. Maybe Molly & co
should talk to him first. All active posters added lots of info about Baja Retirement over the years and somebody sees that as a base for
merchandising that info. Probably good people with good ideas. They need to talk to the owner. |
Not trying to be argumentative, George but, have you taken these points into consideration with your creations?
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bajajudy
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I thought the same thing, Dennis. Particularly Seahawk.
Whoa, how about my pix....are they Doug's now?
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Osprey
But seriously folks.......as I understand it all the things that have appeared on this board are the property of Doug Means. Maybe Molly & co
should talk to him first. All active posters added lots of info about Baja Retirement over the years and somebody sees that as a base for
merchandising that info. Probably good people with good ideas. They need to talk to the owner. |
Not trying to be argumentative, George but, have you taken these points into consideration with your creations? |
Yes,
Does Doug Means own YOUR stories ?
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amir
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Dennis and lencho,
"The Baja" = "La Baja"
I KNOW people use the expression, in either language. It just turns ME off. Just a personal opinion.
-- El Amir
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DENNIS
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What a bunch of CRAP.
This gal, Molly, comes here looking for information. That is the essence of the site...information. She commits the mortal sin of mentioning her
needs and desires for said information, all the time telling us of it's use by her. Not why but, what.
All of a sudden, she is attacked for her questions and motives as though they are inappropriate. Her questions about Baja HERE were inappropriate.
Some went on to imply that here use of information from this site could be considered illegal. Thievery. Plaigarism. Stealing.
We don't know Molly's motives or intent with this information but, it was supposed to be info on Baja. Something we're all supposed to be proud of,
even to the point of spreading it around to others.
Molly was less than candid about her intentions , maybe disingenuos but, that doesn't matter. That's her problem. What matters is the
inappropriate self defense that arose from her meaningless inquiry.
It looks like Baja Nomad has developed a homeowners association.
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longlegsinlapaz
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Her questions about Baja HERE were inappropriate.
We don't know Molly's motives or intent with this information but, it was supposed to be info on Baja. Something we're all supposed to be proud of,
even to the point of spreading it around to others.
Molly was less than candid about her intentions , maybe disingenuos but, that doesn't matter. That's her problem. What matters is the
inappropriate self defense that arose from her meaningless inquiry.
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How on earth was "Molly less than candid about her intentions , maybe disingenuos"?? How were "Her questions about Baja HERE were
inappropriate."??
She stated in her initial post she wanted personal experience short stories for the intent to possibly publish them in an e-book, she stated the topic
areas she was interested in, and she stated how she hoped to use the information, and what her deadline is, so how can you say "We don't know
Molly's motives or intent with this information"??? What did she leave out?? The price of the book? Way to go dennis....you actually referred
to her "meaningless inquiry"! I'll bet it's
not meaningless to her or she wouldn't be writing a book about subject matter we experience on a daily basis.
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motoged
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To take this thread in a bit of a different (less protectionist) direction, have any of you checked out the website "Molly" has? At the bottom of the
page it reads:
"The Baja is a stunningly beautiful area of Aquamarine waters, beaches and desert, with endless opportunities for life and living. Just remember:
Just remember: "Once You Go Baja, You May Never Go Back!" Molly McHugh
Now, I don't imagine Molly intended a double-entendre, but as a "writer" she should tidy up her writing style.....unless she intended to suggest to
folks reading her future e-book that folks won't want to return to Baja once they have visited it...
I assume that she is suggesting that "ex-pats" won't return to their country of origin after they experience Baja .... Duh !!! That's why they are
ex-pats!!
Aside from that, "Go, girl !"
Don't believe everything you think....
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Osprey
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Molly & co must have read the posts on this site and over time learned that many posters had given valuable info she could incorporate into a
book/site of her own. Now that she's asking for such anecdotes from board members/posters some of them might recall something helpful, appropriate,
reach back into the Nomad archives to retrieve the info, perhaps copy it to send to Molly's site. Paragraph 2 of the board rules says it all belongs
to the owner of this board -- can't do anything to it, with it without permission of the owner. Nothing sinister or suspicious about any of that --
just regular, sound business practices IMHO.
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BajaBad
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Some of those posts were humourous - much better and thanks. 
I may have unintentionally struck a nerve... it is not a īcome all ye to Bajaī brainless book but a serious relocation guide full of facts and info
for those who are thinking of making the journey or in the process (I didnīt give more info earlier as most appreciate short postings).
And it wonīt end up stacked up like hotcakes at IHOP (thank goodness)... it is an E-book, will be electronically published (you download from
Website) - those who find it useful will have access to it anywhere they live, and a print-out at their disposal anytime they want, those who donīt
can send it into hyperspace, or back into hyperspace, depending on how you look at things... 
Any questions or more info would be better to email - Molly
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CaboRon
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Welcome Bajabad,
I am leaving on the first of oct. Computer will be packed on the 30th of sept.
I might need the info in your e book.
if you have it ready earlier let me know.
Thanks
CaboRon
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CaboRon
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Who Owns What In A Free Society
| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
| Quote: | Originally posted by Osprey
Paragraph 2 of the board rules says it all belongs to the owner of this board -- can't do anything to it, with it without permission of the owner.
Nothing sinister or suspicious about any of that -- just regular, sound business practices IMHO. |
I'm not a lawyer so I'm on thin ice here, but with all due respect to Doug, I find that paragraph legally questionable for a BBS-type website, for a
number of reasons. I don't think it can be taken to mean we cede intellectual rights to material we publish on his board, and if it did, that
probably would mean that as assigned owner of rights, Doug would be legally liable for anything posted. THAT is a burden that most BBS owners avoid
like the plague, and historically I believe BBS's have been considered common carriers like the telephone company, status which is obviously broken if
the administrators start claiming ownership/responsibility of the published material. That (common carrier immunity) could also a reason to be VERY
careful in editing of posters' material, since in doing so, the administrator in effect becomes co-author of the posting and shares the
responsibility/liability.
--Larry |
Lencho,
I believe you are right..... and my attorney also believes you are correct in your assesment of "common carrier" statutes.
If I felt that my interrectual rights were in any way compromised by my particapation on this forum, I would have to seriously rethink making any
contribution to this site.
Doug Means, I would like to hear you chime in on this issue, as your name has been used by others.
Your comments are requested here,
As serious legal issues have now been raised.
And I think a public statement of your take on this is probably in order.
Thanks,
- CaboRon
[Edited on 9-10-2007 by CaboRon]
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DanO
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBad
Maybe if he has a run-in with a male proctocolgist . . .
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Ahem. Let me just say that the words "run-in" and "proctologist" should never, ever, be uttered in the same sentence. And if Dennis has any such
experience, I for one definitely do NOT want to read about it. C'mon, I just ate lunch.
\"Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.\" -- Frank Zappa
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DanO
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
If I felt that my interrectual rights were in any way compromised by my particapation on this forum, |
Dunno about rights, but there are those that would allege that one's interrectual development can be seriously hampered by
particapation here...
--Larry |
Interrectual? Somehow I think that goes along with the proctology angle.
\"Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.\" -- Frank Zappa
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
If I felt that my interrectual rights were in any way compromised by my particapation on this forum, |
Dunno about rights, but there are those that would allege that one's interrectual development can be seriously hampered by
particapation here...
--Larry |
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Amir
I was wondering why you object to La Baja. As far as I know that is the correct reference and always has been en espagnol como me gusta la baja.
Interestingly I hear El Mar, juego con ella.
Not sure if the article or gender was your issue?
Anyway I hope you'll clarify your point, whether grammatical or philosophical.
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DENNIS
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La Baja / The Baja
It's a purist thing. Some find it a new age abomination of "Baja." Purists wouldn't like "The Idaho" or "The Oregon." I wouldn't either.
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oldhippie
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I just took the 5 to the South LA and then the 10 to the West Hollywood. Coming back I took the 5 to the Baja California. It was a nice drive back, I
could see ocean.
Why not just be correct, especially when writing a book?
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