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Cypress
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Roberto Thanks for the clue. Just didn't realize that's what happens when you get towed thru ruff seas. Somehow I missed that part when being towed in
more than once by the coast guard. Thanks again.
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Roberto
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
Roberto Thanks for the clue. Just didn't realize that's what happens when you get towed thru ruff seas. Somehow I missed that part when being towed in
more than once by the coast guard. Thanks again. |
Well, that's one scenario anyway. Remember, that the Coast Guard gives a $%^@ when towing you.
Also, here is the original post:
| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
This is basic, happens every day. A boat sank? C'mon. Sank because the navy sank it? |
This after all the disbelieving remarks and comments. Thus MY comment about getting a clue. Sounds like some folks here just want to pump each other
up about not facing reality. That's fine with me, but, again, know whereof you speak, or you may regret it.
Some of the comments went to far as implying that it was the fault of the fishermen. Even if that were true - does that justify that sort of conduct?
[Edited on 9-16-2007 by Roberto]
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Roberto, of course that is how it went down. Pun intended.
Some of the speculation here is just plain silly.
Cypress, I believe you have been on boats before. I however, have a hard time believing you Captained one. Roberto is a Captain, I am a fair Captain,
and to quote one of my favorite captains of all time, Captain Ron." If its going to happen, its going to happen out there". 
Proud husband of a legal immigrant.
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Nice save on the cleat....................and I'm also a Captain
(retired)!!!
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Cypress
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Lot's of captains on this forum. Never been one.
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Captain Ron." If its going to happen, its going to happen out there".
Oh THAT Cap'n Ron!
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I´m not a captain but if towing a boat in rough seas is risky then why wasn´t personnel put on the boat and it escourted to wherever they had to go?
This would have avoided a fiasco. My take on this is that this is extremely scary stuff!
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Pam,
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Since this is continuing my 2 cents, If you pull a boat to fast and it is not secured correctly it will swing side to side and eventually take on
water over the gunnel. This is a problem our own Coast Guard had years ago before they turned it over to private concerns, They pulled many cleats,
and decks off just because they didn't know how to tow a boat.
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The jokes and wise cracks are totally out of line. How would you like it if someone laughed at your mis-fortune. Do you always (or have you always)
had your paperwork in 100% order. Do you always walk around with your passport and visa. And does everyone that goes out on a boat with you do the
same?
It would really be nice to know the facts that would cause the Navy to act so severly.
[Edited on 9-18-2007 by JZ]
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OK, my 2 cents:
Why did the navy do this (well documented with witnesses and photos) to fishermen fishing legally with a well known, reputable charter service?
I think they just didn't know the law. They didn't know what they were doing. They didn't know what a proper license looked like, or what other
documents are or are not required to be carried. And they did not know how to properly take a boat under tow. There have been other incidents where
the Mexican Navy was unsure of the laws.
Ask just about any question here on Baja Nomad. Fideocomisos? Where/How/What for getting an FM-3? How does one get a fishing license in Loreto? Federal Zone setback, environmental permits, importing a vehicle, what can
you bring across the border without duty, etc etc etc. You get a ton of answers. Many conflict. And it is hard to find clear, authoritative answers.
So we sometimes wing it and hope for the best. So do some of the authorities in Mexico.
My guess is that the navy folks are embarrased and will do things differently next time. Just a guess, but I guess I'd rather think they were mistake
prone rather than cruel.
It does bring to mind the thread on Calderon. I wish the US government would show a bit more concern over the welfare of its citizens traveling
abroad. This event took place aboard a former US Navy vessel, and I think the US government should formally ask Mexico for reparations on behalf of
the fishermen.
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The truth is, in Mexico the law is but a vague point of reference. The person with the gun determines how and to what degree it will be carried out.
Do you honestly feel the Mexican government has its citizens"backs". Or is just interested in seeing their backs as they head north.
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Roberto
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Don Alley
It does bring to mind the thread on Calderon. I wish the US government would show a bit more concern over the welfare of its citizens traveling
abroad. This event took place aboard a former US Navy vessel, and I think the US government should formally ask Mexico for reparations on behalf of
the fishermen. |
Speaking of Calderon's statement everyone seems to be so upset about - what kind of reparations do you think the Mexicans are going to receive for
this? Look, the Americans walked away, unhurt, not the case for the Mexicans.
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I am sorry, it sucks for sure. I know things go horribly wrong with the best professionals due to complications at sea. I have had a slew of problems
on the water the last few days. In my case I was able to resolve them and get going, it easy to see how a panga can get swamped, they often have no
scuppers, no floatation and no way out of being sunk once the water begins to enter.
Mental note to self: add scuppers and floatation to next panga.
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Cypress
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Regarding all these self-proclaimed captains. Ever heard of Bob Dillon? A quote
"You don't have to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows" I'd be
curious to know what 'ton" license they hold. Just my two cents and the
self-proclaimed captains can keep the change.
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Roberto
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I hold the self-appointed 100 ton "bite me" license.
What about you - apparently the one ton open-my-mouth-before-I-know-what-I'm-talking-about license. You are in good company.
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Cypress
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Roberto Yep. I'm fully certified in that catagory.
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Good comeback. 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
Good comeback. |
Not the way I see it...this guy is the king of one line post and he should stay in that category. His foot has not been out of his mouth in some
time...from dog advice to smoking fish...his best response is always "deny, deny, deny....just like a 12 year old would...
My two cents...I would guess it had nothing to do with dark and gloom...law or lack of... Me thinka this captain needed to get back to Ensenada...I
could think of a million reasons why...
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