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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Stickers
We donate a U.S. navy ship to the Mexican government and then the Mexican Navy uses it as a pirate vessel to commandeer and sink boats and rob our
citizens. This offense is punishable under international law. If Mexico wont or cant deal with these issues then we must. |
They've been puttin' around the Ensenada area in those two DEs for a long time. From what I've seen of floating US Navy surplus, we should give them
a few more.
Like with other issues, Mexico probably makes up their own international law.
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oxxo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by markshark
last thursday night |
What time at night did this happen?
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I made the mistake of getting seperated from my buddy
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How did you get separated?
| Quote: | and while walking back to my room
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Where were you coming from?
| Quote: | a car roars up behind me,legs spread,hands on the trunk throughly searched
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What was the conversation between you and them?
| Quote: | yup,ensenada's finest.
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Are you saying it was the police? Were they wearing badges? Was their car marked as police?
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There were absolutely no other pedestrians on that busy street? What time of night was this?
I'm sorry for your bad experience. I hope to learn more specific details about your experience so I can avoid making the same mistakes.
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bajaguy
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Info???
It has been reported that the crooks were dressed in BROWN uniforms.....which a creditible Ensenada source states IS NOT Ensenada Police.
Did the victim report this to the (real) Ensenada Police, The State Police or the newspaper???
I personally believe that this activity won't stop until:
reports are made with several jurisdictions including the mayors office, the governors office, the tourism office and the local newspspers.......be a
pest and keep the pressure up.
this continuing criminal activity creates a financial backlash to local businesses from tourists and visitors. Money talks, and it talks loud. If
local businesses are being affected, the government will listen. Maybe make up some flyers and distribute to local businesses outlining the problems
and the proposed boycott.
if the police get a handle on these things, nothing works better as a deterrent than a few photos in the local newspapers of dead crooks.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
It has been reported that the crooks were dressed in BROWN uniforms.....which a creditible Ensenada source states IS NOT Ensenada Police.
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The state Transito police wear brown. Used to anyway. I don't know if that's changed. One thing for sure is that they don't drive around in black
and whites.
If any kind of a boycot is more than suggested, I hope it is well planned and organized. A boycot can have a lot of clout but, a half-assed effort
will only fall on deaf ears and weaken future attempts.
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wakemall
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Seems like these attacks and robberies have increased greatly around TJ and Ensenada. Is the corruption out of control? Who knows? How many of
these acts go un-reported???? How many tourists going into these areas are members of this site and report these issues?????? This is all something
to consider. I live in Fresno and there are areas you do not visit after dark. The big cities like LA and Oakland have even more areas like this.
Just because tourism, economic gain, increased business, and all the resulting financial benefits are realized by local business does not mean crime
is not there. These bad guys could give a crap if tourists and tourism monies are lost due to their robberies and attacks. It does not affect them.
By boycotting this area we are reducing their take and forcing an increased theft problem?
The local governmental administrations need to receive enough complaints from not only tourists but local businesses to force a change. The govt and
police dept folks are already corrupt, we already know this. This is such a huge issue a fix is going to be hard and a long time away. I am bummed
and sad that this has gotten to this point. I cannot feel safe crossing the border in the early AM anymore.
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DENNIS
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Wakemall......
You're a fast study.
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wakemall
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Previous response was not posted.... Hey Dennis, was this a negative or positive comment???? Hard to determine what "You're a fast study. "
means?????
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wakemall
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Thanks soul...
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Bajafun777
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Look, they are killing cops in T.J., Rosarito, and Ensenda during the day and night openly, as they are looking for them to do these ambushes. So, if
the crooks are so bold as to do this why is it hard for some to doubt why this crime wave is out of control. You get the luck of the draw when you
are victimized. It's just your day-----now I know that many will not like this being said but it is true. Some of us have been going to Mexico
mainland and baja for years with no problem, we were and are just plain lucky. Nothing but luck and I am super careful what I do and how I do it in
not only Mexico but certain areas of the U.S. also. However in the U.S. I have the ability to be armed in some fashion so the crook is taking their
chances too. When in Mexico the more of a group you are in the better your luck and chances of not having anything bad happen, in most cases.
Remember they also rob tourist buses and even the trains before they stopped them from carrying passengers. It's like winning the lottery some are
lucky and some just have no luck at all. Not trying to be funny but it is something that just is what it is. May Luck be with all of you and
continue with me too!!!! Maybe we should get a large group together and shut the border down going in and flip the coin the other way around,
message given and received. Later--------------- bajafun777
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wakemall
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good reply.............
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beachbum1A
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More than you know.
Last night a 28 year old member to the P.E.P. unit that was formed 11 months and 2 weeks ago was killed in his home..It is estimated that there were
20 men firing at him at the same time.
That brings it to 7 of the 24 man unit to be killed in less than a year. |
Hose A; What town did this attack/killing take place in?
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pappy
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in this morning's local paper there was an article about all this killing, abductions,etc. in mexico, how it has increased dramatically and is now
considered the most unsafe country in the world to travel with the exception of a place in africa....the article more or less puts the blame on drug
cartels, in that they are fighting back against calderon who has supposedly really cracked down on the drug business...
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wakemall
Previous response was not posted.... Hey Dennis, was this a negative or positive comment???? Hard to determine what "You're a fast study. "
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It means you're a good learner. All good. You have to catch me on a bad day for the other stuff.
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Hook
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| Quote: | Originally posted by pappy
in this morning's local paper there was an article about all this killing, abductions,etc. in mexico, how it has increased dramatically and is now
considered the most unsafe country in the world to travel with the exception of a place in africa....the article more or less puts the blame on drug
cartels, in that they are fighting back against calderon who has supposedly really cracked down on the drug business... |
And the study commissioned by the Mexican government to determine whether using the military to counter the drug cartels has concluded that it is NOT
a good idea to use the military for this.
Go figure.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
And the study commissioned by the Mexican government to determine whether using the military to counter the drug cartels has concluded that it is NOT
a good idea to use the military for this.
Go figure. |
Who else is there for the job? Maybe they should hire the Blackwater mercenaries. They soon may find some free time on their hands.
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bajabound2005
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Anyone seen the film, "Entre Llamas"? Pretty much sums up police corruption in Mexico. Rent it off Netflix. Excellent film that will leave you
speechless.
[Edited on 9-23-2007 by bajabound2005]
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pappy
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not a bad idea dennis...but then they may be too easily influenced by the big bucks of drug money and end up working for the cartels instead of
government....
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Al G
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
| Quote: | Originally posted by pappy
in this morning's local paper there was an article about all this killing, abductions,etc. in mexico, how it has increased dramatically and is now
considered the most unsafe country in the world to travel with the exception of a place in africa....the article more or less puts the blame on drug
cartels, in that they are fighting back against calderon who has supposedly really cracked down on the drug business... |
And the study commissioned by the Mexican government to determine whether using the military to counter the drug cartels has concluded that it is NOT
a good idea to use the military for this.
Go figure. |
Hook...if you are referring to this report...it says nothing of being commissioned by gov...only "Gov run" human RIGHTS panel...and may be infiltrated
by drug money and surely opposing party...it is a story of misconduct...not if their drug efforts are working or not.
Our own military has problems of misconduct too.
One must always read between the lines of all media as they have their agendas too.
Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:18 pm (PST)
Human rights panel recommends Mexico's army be pulled from war on drugs
Chairman of government-run panel says staff documented four cases of abuse
Soldiers accused of raping 14 women in small town in 2006 case
President Felipe Calderon ordered army to retake areas held by drug cartels
MEXICO CITY, Mexico (AP) -- A government-run human rights commission accused
soldiers of rape and torture on Friday and recommended the army be pulled out of
Mexico's nationwide drug war.
Jose Luis Soberanes of the National Human Rights Commission said four cases of abuse
were documented.
The report by the National Human Rights Commission is the first official document to back
up long-standing allegations of human rights abuses by soldiers ordered by President
Felipe Calderon to retake large swaths of territory controlled by powerful drug cartels.
Military officials declined to comment on the report, saying any response to the allegations
would come in a press statement.
Calderon ordered the nationwide crackdown shortly after taking office on December 1, and
he has said the war against drug trafficking is his top priority. Calderon's office said they
were reviewing the report.
Jose Luis Soberanes, the commission's president, said his staff was able to document four
cases of abuse.
The first case in Mexico was from 2006, before Calderon took office. The commission said
soldiers allegedly raped 14 women in a small town in the state of Coahuila.
The second, in early May of this year, soldiers responding to an ambush in the western
state of Michoacan allegedly entered homes without warrants, stole money and property,
tied residents up and threatened them with death if they didn't provide information.
The soldiers allegedly submerged at least one person in a well, sexually abused two
children and raped two teenage girls.
In the third case, also in May in Michoacan, Soberanes said soldiers rounded up and
tortured at least seven adults and one child in a small town that was the site of a shootout
with suspected drug traffickers. Many of the victims reported having bags placed over
their heads while they were beaten.
The fourth case already has been widely reported. On June 1, soldiers opened fire on a
pickup packed with people, killing two women and three children.
Soldiers said the truck failed to slow for a highway checkpoint, but the commission said
investigators found no evidence of a checkpoint. In fact, Soberanes said, the soldiers
appeared to be simply camping alongside a dark road when they opened fire on the
vehicle.
He added that seven of the 19 soldiers at the campsite showed signs of having consumed
alcohol or drugs.
Albert G
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just don't stop.....
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Hook
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Yer splitting hairs, Al. Government commissioned, government run. I didnt say it was Calderon commissioned.
So that's it????? All police agencies that have attempted interdiction on the cartels have failed and that's why Calderon turned to the military.
Game over in favor of the cartels ??????
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