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bacquito
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oldhippie
And let us not forget why all this is happening.
American drug addicts. |
Your right and we also sell them guns!!
bacquito
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tortuga
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Good Idea !
Baja Fun 777 ,
Good Idea . We would like to donate . Please let us know the specifics . Thankyou , Tortuga
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Bajafun777
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Well, we just need to get at least 60 donations to at least make it a useful donation for a family that just lost a husband, a father, a breadwinner,
and a protector of the community. Hope others will also jump in and again since Baja Nomad is Dennis's baby, he would need to be in for it so monies
could be sent to his site designated for this Mexican police officer's family. Now, if we can just get 58 more donators, right????? Later---
bajafun777
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toneart
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I would be glad to chip in. Good idea. I think the most expedient way to do it is for some Nomad with a business to run it through Pay Pal on their
website. This was done quickly just after the Mulege flood. I'm not sure how Dennis was elected or if he can or wants to set it up. Who has a
business?
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Mango
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody in ob
Too sad!!!! my condolences.
when will the average Mexican stand up and say, "ENOUGH!" and quit being the "poor neighbor to the south" that feeds the gringo what they want, save
for all the immigrants? |
Thanks Woody. The family handled it about as best as could be expected. I think oldhippie answered your question.
| Quote: | Originally posted by oldhippie
And let us not forget why all this is happening.
American drug addicts. |
When the US decides to either wall off 1/5 of the country and put all the drug addicts in a huge cage; or when they get smart and legalize and tax
something that is already there and not going away.. they will then be able to severely degrade the power of the Cartels in Mexico, USA, Columbia,
etc..
There is really no easy answer. Most Mexicans I have met in the states would rather be in Mexico; but, they move there to earn a living. I know many
younger Mexicans that have good educations; but, they don't have too many good jobs available to them. It's going to take a good deal of time and
effort to do away with decades of government corruption and greed.
Here is just one reason why many Mexicans may not stand up...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tlatelolco_Massacre
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Sharksbaja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
I would be glad to chip in. Good idea. I think the most expedient way to do it is for some Nomad with a business to run it through Pay Pal on their
website. This was done quickly just after the Mulege flood. I'm not sure how Dennis was elected or if he can or wants to set it up. Who has a
business? |
Yea, who could we trust to do this?
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oldhippie
And let us not forget why all this is happening.
American drug addicts. |
That's part of the reason. Not all of it.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
I'm not sure how Dennis was elected or if he can or wants to set it up. |
I'm sure he meant to say. "Doug."
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oldhippie
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Thanks for the link, reminded me of Kent State, which I haven't thought about for quite a while.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings
[Edited on 9-27-2007 by oldhippie]
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gnukid
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Please don't blame cartels on american/mexican drug addicts. The system is set to benefit drug dealers by the governments at play to create a world of
drug addicts who buy ilegal drugs which in turn makes a profit. If our government chose another system they would have a different result. At least
Claderon is making a challenge and I think it is terrific, though the battle will be hard fought and many innocent people seem to be getting hurt.
Truly, the drug addicts are a sad lot, choosing drugs to obliterate and obsfucate a sad life is a choice that many make and few shake off easily. The
whole thing is so sad, however there are successes to celebrate, some people are staying off drugs and making a great life filled with positivity.
Una vida sin druggas es una buena vida.
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Slowmad
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Brutally complex problem.
Wars on intangibles and inanimates never achieve their goals (e.g. "drugs," "terror"), but torch up an ungodly fiscal burn rate.
Tens of thousands of Americans depend on a steady flow of illegal drugs to justify their jobs at the DEA, Customs, Prison system, Border Patrol, the
Coast Guard, the Army, and a dozens of other federal, state, and local agencies.
It's self-perpetuating.
At least two of these agencies will fight decriminalization tooth and claw as it might interrupt the gravy train.
The tax dollars spent per annum on the ludicrous "War on Drugs" could address any number of national ills.
Quilckly check http://www.drugsense.org/wodclock.htm for an idea.
And after the hundreds of billions of dollars squandered and lives lost?
Cocaine is cheaper and more readily available than ever in the U.S.
Thanks, supporters of the War on Drugs.
Thanks for nothing.
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gnukid
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Slowmad,
Aren't you missing the point, there are druglords shooting up public city centers and the streets are filled with drug addicts unable to do anything
but steal to fuel drugs.
You can make your blanket statements about how silly it is, but for us, the adventurers that pass through the guantlet we need something, anything to
support our safe passage. Today it means we are engaged in a battle, however silly, and a man's life was lost in battle these past few days. For every
good man/woman lost in the battle we must stand up and support them, their families and the forces that support the end to cartel controlled violence.
Please consider that philosophical sanctimonious blanket statements about the sillyness of it all do little to help us today though in the big picture
such statements may be true. I doubt anyone here supports a war on drugs, we support a defense of our lives. Today, the fact that the militares have
begun to arrive is a good thing as opposed to the alternatives=no enforcement.
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Mango
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by oldhippie
And let us not forget why all this is happening.
American drug addicts. |
That's part of the reason. Not all of it. |
I agree, it's not the whole reason. But; it is a rather large part of the whole if you consider the root causes of many problems. Enough of the
"what if's" though... I was just trying to make a point to people not to put ALL the blame on the Mexicans.
No easy answers = no easy solutions.
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Slowmad
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
Slowmad,
Aren't you missing the point |
God, I sure hope not.
Silly?
More like "absurd."
The border town citizens need serious crime relief.
Us travelers too.
Perhaps a military surge will help.
Though based on past performance (see: "Zetas" and "General Rubollo") the track record ain't red hot.
"We" got the Felix brothers handled.
Now it's three times worse as the Baja transhipment corridor bears witness to an all-out dogfight between the Golfo, Sinaloa and TJ cartels.
And one man's glance at root causes is another's blanket statement.
Your inference that I don't care about the man's death or the safety of travelers is supported by nothing in my post. But I'm with you in agreeing
that anyone in Mexican law enforcement bold enough to stand up to these animals deserves our respect.
I scoff at the mock-turtle, Public Relations fiasco called the "War on Drugs."
But ethical street-level cops in the border towns have my undying support.
Did someone say "brutally complex"?
[Edited on 9-27-2007 by Slowmad]
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Slowmad
"General Rubollo" |
José de Jesus Gutierrez Rebollo for those who want to do research. He was one of Mexico's drug czars with varied interests.
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Slowmad
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Thanks for the spell help, Mr. D.
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oldhippie
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This is just my opinion but I think this madness will never stop until the "war on drugs" stops. There are some things that just can't be stopped by
laws and law enforcement. Prohibition is the classic example, the same with prostitution, the same with gambling, the same with homosexuality. All
behaviors that many people find pleasurable and some are very profitable. I may be wrong but the latest brutal violence is a direct result of the
elimination of the Arellano-Felix cartel and the battles taking place to assume that business. What's happening in TJ now is just like what happened
in Chicago during prohibition. Murders, crooked cops, crooked politicians.
I don't think addicitve drugs should be legalized, pot is not addicitive, so I've heard. But a modified version of the "don't ask, don't tell" way of
thinking might work.
The shakedowns of tourists by the cops is a completely different phenomena and should receive forceful attention by the police, even when you consider
the percentage of tourists affected is extremely small.
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Sharksbaja
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Drug connection? Real cops?
The tourist issue is not one and the same. Perhaps these organized thugs hijacking vehicles have high drug connections but my guess is that these
pseudo-cartel members are just lowlifes with many minions. Opportunists. They see the intimidation they wreak on the agencies and small numbers of
"real police" particularily when there are dozens of them with guns.
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Do you think they are(cops)?
One HUGE question that could answer and help us if the need be is: are these cops, ex-cops or are cops involved. I know it would change my tactics and
instincts.
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oldhippie
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The more gentle mordida shakedowns for speeding, etc. are by cops, the more brutal robberies are, I think, by thugs.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oldhippie
The more gentle mordida shakedowns for speeding, etc. are by cops, the more brutal robberies are, I think, by thugs. |
Different activities-----Different perps.
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