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Sharksbaja
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How do you say "common sense" or lack thereof, in Spanish?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
How do you say "common sense" or lack thereof, in Spanish?
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Just so you folks know. Police are covered by the government should they get killed in the line of duty their family gets paid. They get their
retirement benifts from the time they got killed.
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Minnow, I have been stopped by police and paid no "donation" or mordida to them but since I was doing nothing wrong I stood my ground also. I was
willing to go to the police station if the officer wanted to continue about a fine. Instead, off he went with warning towards me on speeding which I
was not doing. Now, as your cheap shot about us not wanting to donate to Antonio's brothers you first assume that everyone knew, right? Real easy
here Minnow, if you are not interested in donating don't and keep it to yourself. Why the anger and hostility, if people want to help someone then
let them it's not your dime, right? You talk bad about the Mexican cops and in the next entry you identify someone as being a T.J. cop that possibly
needed help in the past. This was very very poor thinking here on your part. Why not just tone it down and let people live by their desire to do as
they see fit to help in anyway they want to. Hold that hostile tiger tail for other issues but not this one! Like the saying goes "No fight, be
happy." Later------- bajafun777
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Checked with my buddies at the law enforcement agencies and they do give vests, belts, holders for cuffs, clips, etc. to Mexicali police and said San
Diego does the same. They said the fire departments also give a lot of equipment to Mexico firemen also. So, it looks like equipment is going down
now how it is given out is another issue. There is also, like fdt said, a police officers survivor fund but they did not know the amounts that the
family gets. Will see if I can keep asking and get some kind of dollar amount they give out. Either way maybe just giving to the agency that fdt
says helps these officers families is the best way to go. Hopefully, everyone then is either happy or not whatever the case. Later---bajafun777
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Al G
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I just do not understand the hostility when we are feeling so compassionate.
Albert G
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The most precious thing we have is life, yet it has absolutely no trade-in value.
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Shame on you Tom, for trying to belittle and cheapen this effort. Why don't you bring your extensive Baja experiense to assist? What the ***** wrong
with you? All this man wants to do is help somebody. So do I. Reach out with your fine knowledge of the area instead of your vitriolic crap.
[Edited on 10-2-2007 by Hose A]
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Minnow
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There Dennis I fixed it. Happy now.
Seriously I meant no harm, however, my comments were out of place. Sorry.
[Edited on 2-10-2007 by Minnow]
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Al G
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I would like you to know BF777, that I appreciate your effort and caring attitude. together and with a few other Nomads we could make a difference in
how law enforcement view, and care about us.
This is doable...giving $2 to each victim is not effective unless you give it to a established help group, and I will do that on a smaller scale...
I think with what funds we can generate, a focused effort to save a life is a more noble thing to do...possiably save more then one widow from being
left alone.
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DENNIS
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Thanks Tom. Very cool.
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Look again at what you folks are attempting to do. Yes, a noble and compassionately human gesture for sure but perhaps you should explore what may
ultimately happen to the money. Sure, it might help out a person or two but quite frankly the truth is, there are so many that qualify for some help
or relief. I can see why Tom has little faith in dealing in this matter. Besides possibly compromising the widow and/or family I can think of a few
other factors that could dampen the giving spirit. Without getting into the negative aspects of giving cash to affected families it might just be more
prudent to donate in a way that wouldn't attract or otherwise compromise those on the receiving end.
I believe that if this were an appropriate way of disbursing cash, others would have been eagar to donate the time to pull it off. There are just too
many variables. Now, IMO, if you could get a wish list or information as to what these most unfortunate folks need then perhaps one could avoid
potential problems for all parties. There is a certain amount of fear involved here.
If you guys come up with a more calculated plan it's quite possible more will give. Not trying to ba a spoiler just feel the approach is off.
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Bajafun777
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So, donate to the group that fdt noticed us about. It appears they spread the monies out from what I had read to me in his attachment (all Spanish, I
can read some not all so translation had to happen). Sharksbaja, I understand where you are coming from but sometimes you just have to have some
faith. fdt, it would probably help if we knew this organization had some banking account in Mexico, as I myself could just trip over to Mexicali and
donate into their account or wait until I go into T.J. area again. There exact address or mailing would also help. Sharksbaja, I know that their
could be some minor risks in collecting monies to help cops families that were killed by the Cartel, however I do not let fear run my life here nor
will I over in Mexico. That does not mean I am not cautious when in Mexico but I do not walk around scare of my own shadow, as I know you probably do
not. If that was the case you nor I would enter Mexico. Give as you can and that is all anyone can wish for. Later-------- bajafun777
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
If you guys come up with a more calculated plan it's quite possible more will give. Not trying to ba a spoiler just feel the approach is off.
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I couldn't agree more. Maybe I owe Tom an apology after digesting all this stuff.
Sorry Tom.
I have strong feelings about welfare. I feel that it should be applied when and where needed. It shouldn't be put on a table to be taken at will and
it shouldn't be given to an agency that will eat up eighty percent of it in administrative costs.
OK...This isn't welfare. Don't yell at me.
Our efforts have to be organized and controlled. It could be a Nomad Fund for Law Enforcement. But, it has to be ours. It has to be something we can
relate to on an ongoing basis if we expect ongoing participation. It would be a good project for all of us as long as it's ours.
Does any of this make any sense to anybody else?
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something I just explained to a person by u2u...
...I am in this to make a difference in our relationship with the people of Mexico as well as helping in the struggles of modern Baja. I am not an
expert, but can see them trying to help themselves, so I want to help too.
I also feel if the new cops of Baja know we want to help, and will help...the corruption aimed at Gringos will end someday. I have changed and no
longer consider $10-20 mordida as something to worry about...the threat here is California latino gangs...they will do the dirty work for cops cut off
from mordida.
There will always be bad guys and a need to get effective help... well that will be a two way street someday. They need to know where we stand. The
wiliness to show it, is what will make the difference...
How would you feel if someone you didn't expect wanted to help save your life...it will spread and we will earn respect for each other.
I don't want to pass judgment, but I think there is enough Nomads here that consider $100, a Saturday night party bill...one Saturday for the safety
gear needed to keep young men alive to help us tomorrow is not a bad trade off...
Remember...the amount is not the real issue...partisipation is
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
Not trying to ba a spoiler just feel the approach is off. |
I couldn't agree more. Maybe I owe Tom an apology after digesting all this stuff.
Sorry Tom.
I have strong feelings about welfare. I feel that it should be applied when and where needed. It shouldn't be put on a table to be taken at will and
it shouldn't be given to an agency that will eat up eighty percent of it in administrative costs.
OK...This isn't welfare. Don't yell at me.
Our efforts have to be organized and controlled. It could be a Nomad Fund for Law Enforcement. But, it has to be ours. It has to be something we can
relate to on an ongoing basis if we expect ongoing participation. It would be a good project for all of us as long as it's ours.
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No Dennis you don't my approach was off. Good on you guys for having a heart. 
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what comes around goes around.
\"The time spent off the water, I\'m thinking of ways to get back in\"
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i am very impressed and appreciative of all the thinking being applied to helping. lots of good ideas. i have nothing to add in that realm, but i
look forward to the development of a plan for donating . whether the consensus is focusing on the bereaved or on the living heroes who ae risking
their lives, either way, i think it's a great idea and steve and i are eager to donate $$.
please keep thinking about this and let us know when you've "got it!"
bajafun777 and fdt, thanks muchísimo for your efforts and energy.  sorry if i'm
missing others who are actively grappling with creating a useful way to give.
lili
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777fun, it is not me that is afraid. It's the whole subject matter that is scary. It deals with death and mourning families. A very personal ordeal.
Gifts of sympathy may be welcome tho nobody here is really sure how to approach these people in earnest. Frankly, I don't know if money tossed at them
is the answer. What they need is something very hard to deliver. Love, caring, understanding, compassion and companionship. These are emotions which
can't be translated into money or material objects.
These are just thoughts mind you, people react differently. These types of senseless crimes cannot be resolved in any way. It's why I find this
thread hard to deduce.
Al, I understand the prospect of gaining allies within the force and certainly the necessity of good gear is paramount.. That would be a nice bonus.
It's hard to feel like a good guy when the police continuously pull over and extract money from lawbiding tourists. Cops aren't supposed to do that to
the good guys.
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From now on I will defer to Sharksbaja on how the approach this subject. Thanks Sharks! Great post.
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You humble and flatter me little fish...
Really. My feeling is that if we want to really affect a successful and meaningful donation(s) it would seem imparative to have someone at ground
level. It isn't point and click. It takes time and energy and commitment to properly actuate and accomplish what so many want here. You would have to
be more personally involved than just handing someone a wad of cash at the door.
I can't do anything but feel sorry for the many lives and families that have been caught up in the sickening crimes and crime sprees that seem to be
so common lately.
This whole mess is so complicated and confusing. Of course many of us have a sense of duty, we are the "haves". We feel a responsibility to help
relieve pain and suffering if within our ability to do so. It speaks volumes for the good people here.
With that said we must look past the notion of how easy it is to just contribute some money. I missed the cop shirt thing cause I was out of town but
these are the types of tangible and logical gifts I think have the greatest chance of protecting people from further harm. Yes it's tiny in comparison
to the giant problems going on but the worth is obvious.
The notion of helping out widows and others left without a spouse, husband or father is a good example of our willingness to soften the tragedy by
way of money. Can this method provide solace and comfort? Unfortunately I find this question is unanswerable.
[Edited on 10-3-2007 by Sharksbaja]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by docsmom
B7,
I'm on board for a donation and will also offer help with administrative issues. I'd be willing to talk with you personally about administrative
structuring.
I think you have a very good point in helping with immediate expenses for the families of slain officers. We need to explore what the death benefits
are and if there is a need for donations to the families. If there's a need, we could certainly meet it. If the death benefits are adequate, our
donations might be better spent elsewhere.
I think Dennis has a very good idea about finding small issues and taking care of those. Whether it's immediate aid to the families or providing
supplies to the active force, we need to isolate an issue and attack it. There are enough of us here with an interest in the area and I support your
desire to make a difference in the region.
I'll continue to watch this thread and am available to you for assistance.
Kathy |
Here's my original post. And I continue to be in support of some type of assistance to those in the land we find dear.
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