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Minnow
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| Quote: | Originally posted by djh
Minnow, Is there a way that you can possibly express your view without personal attacks and insults?
"Ed, in difference to your obviously limited intellect.." (Minnow)
"Ed, I make it my business to expose hypocrisy." (Minnow)
"Along comes a gringo, who marries a Mexican, who used to get drunk on the previously mentioned piece of beach..... she has to rant on and on to
anybody what will listen about how screwed up the foreign country, and town, is that she chose to live in. " (Minnow)
etc.
Do you think you fulfill your true potential via marginalizing, minimizing, or insulting others who do not share your view on a topic?
I read Pam's post as an expressed concern for a place that she loves and calls home ~ not as some illegal political involvement... and what anyone
can do about some THING depends alot on how deeply they feel about that thing ~ and other factors, of course.
Be Careful.... All the negativity and name calling isn't good for you...
djh
[Edited on 10-10-2007 by djh] |
djh what abouts Ed's comments.
Because his opinion agrees with yours you only care to mention my "negativity".
It was He who cast the first stone. Go back an read his post that starts with off your Meds, and Tequila.
Why don't you bleeding hearts just answer the question. Where is it in Article 27 that says Mexicans are guaranteed by their constitution access to
the beach.
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Minnow
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
Tom, show me where Pam is being hypocritical in bringing this up? What past stance has she taken that is anti-beach access?
Show me where she has stood for foreigners and Mexicans rolling over and playing dead in the face of other foreigners buying up large tracts of land
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Gawd Hook. Are you reading this stuff?
Pam has no dog in this fight. She is not a Mexican. Let her husband come on here and bring up all these political issues. I will listen.
On the one hand she is saying the Mexican government is violating their constitution by allowing private land owners to block off beach access. She
pointed to a specific part of the constitution that she says proves her point. I read it. I don't see where it mentions beach access. It says
20meters from the mean high tide is the property of the Mexican people, and that foreigners cannot own property within 50 km of the shore.
Then I pointed out that, as opposed to her imaginary law, it is against the law for foreigners, like her, to involve themselves in politics in any
way.
For her to expect to Mexican government to follow the law, but that she does not, is hypocrisy.
Maybe this will help you further:
Politics is the process by which groups of people make decisions. Although the term is generally applied to behavior within civil governments,
politics is observed in all human group interactions, including corporate, academic, and religious institutions
Politics consists of "social relations involving authority or power"[1] and refers to the regulation of a political unit, [2] and to the methods and
tactics used to formulate and apply policy.[3]
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Bob and Susan
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minnow...are you mexican????
isn't this like "the pot calling the kettle black?"
"Let (your)*** (wife)*******come on here and bring up all these political issues. I will listen."
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djh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Minnow
djh what abouts Ed's comments.
Because his opinion agrees with yours you only care to mention my "negativity".
It was He who cast the first stone. Go back an read his post that starts with off your Meds, and Tequila.
Why don't you bleeding hearts just answer the question. Where is it in Article 27 that says Mexicans are guaranteed by their constitution access to
the beach. |
..... Minnow, you really don't know me or my opinion (I never stated one), or whether I agree with you or Ed or Pam, or anyone else for that matter.
You assumed you know my opinion and then extend your name calling to me to... "bleading hearts" ? ? You really don't know much about me....
You're going to give yourself an ulcer, amigo.
I simply asked you if you could express your thoughts without all the name calling and marginalizing. That's a tough one for alot of folks.... myself
included sometimes... At least you're adding laughing face icons to your post now 
Its all just stuff and some numbers.
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flyfishinPam
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Like a few others who have been here, I too now give up!
I guess when I´ve posted here it was a simple cry for help. I do not wish to meddle into anything but this place is my life, my childrens, my
husbands, my friends and colleagues. I hate to see this majestic land taken from those who deserve it. The beach closure does not affect me
personally but it affects so many people here. We have a chance to not let this place become another Cancun or Cabo but it is headed right in the
same direction. I think it is actually headed in a much worse direction because of the lack of natural resources here but that's just silly me.
Article 27 forms the basis of the land laws and states that the shoreline, among other many things, belongs to the Nation. Now what does that mean to
you? If the US constitution stated that all shoreline areas belong to the Nation, how would you perceive that? There are other more specific laws
that cover land use and the access to the beaches for the people of this nation. The country´s beaches are part of their rightful patrimonio and
patrimonio is the richness the Mexican people are born with like culture, art, music, ancient history, natural wonders, etc. and it is also what they
create for themselves through hard work. I think the specific law is called Ley General de Bienes Nacionales so maybe someone wants to look that up
and cut on this further.
I think its ironic and a disgrace that in a Marine Park which was created by the people of this town, these same people are increasingly being denied
their right to its access.
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Minnow
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Pam, don't give up. I honestly worry for you. People like you only come along every once in a while, and the world is definately a better place for
it. Please, however, be careful.
My posts are mostly intended to stimulate conversation, as this is a place of ideas, and for ideas. Please everyone, don't take everything I write so
literally. I knew Pam could defend herself. She is one smart lady, to be sure, and living the Baja Dream.
Pam, all your defenders certainly speak for how well you are loved here.
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comitan
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From the Mexican Constitution.
Article 9 - The right to associate or peacefully assemble for any lawful purpose shall not be abridged; but only citizens of the Republic may do so in
order to take part in the political affairs of the country. No armed gathering has the right to deliberate. No assembly or gathering that has as its
object to make a petition or present a protest because of some act to an authority, shall be illegal or be dissolved, provided injuries are not
suffered by the authority, nor use was made of violence or threats to intimidate it, or obligate it to respond in the manner desired.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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Dave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by flyfishinPam
Article 27 forms the basis of the land laws and states that the shoreline, among other many things, belongs to the Nation. Now what does that mean to
you? If the US constitution stated that all shoreline areas belong to the Nation, how would you perceive that? |
Pam, are you a U.S. citizen? Ever been to a U.S. government owned anything? Did you perceive that you actually owned it? Were there rules
governing its use and did you have to pay for the privilege? 
Article 27 not only defines what assets belong to the "nation" but says that the "nation" can do with those assets how it sees fit.
You would do a great service for Lorentanos if you explain that the "nation" doesn't mean "them". And that selling something doesn't mean you still
own it.
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longlegsinlapaz
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Minnow
Pam, don't give up. I honestly worry for you. People like you only come along every once in a while, and the world is definately a better place for
it. Please, however, be careful.
My posts are mostly intended to stimulate conversation, as this is a place of ideas, and for ideas. Please everyone, don't take everything I write so
literally. I knew Pam could defend herself. She is one smart lady, to be sure, and living the Baja Dream.
Pam, all your defenders certainly speak for how well you are loved here. |
Minnow: You certainly have a unique (read: offensive) way of "stimulating conversation"! Whether or not you knew that Pam could defend herself, you
words & attitude towards her were so offensive to me that I opted not to immediately post, or my post would have sounded like yours towards her!
I don't personally know Pam, and Loreto isn't my favorite town, but I DO know a person who is passionate & cares deeply for her
life, her family, her liveliehood & the people, town & country she's chosen to make her life....when I hear one! I read your words about the
wrong people hearing her words as a threat; I doubt I'm alone in that.
"Please everyone, don't take everything I write so literally." If you don't want everyone to take your words so literally, then
please don't write so literally! You are the words you speak & your words to Pam spoke in a very offensive, name-calling, manner which questioned
her integrity as a person & when she throws in the towel in the face of your attack, you tell her not to quit?? WHAT? You think she should keep herself open to abuse & threats (real or perceived) from the likes of you? "I knew Pam could defend
herself."....WHY SHOULD SHE HAVE TO???? It's a little late now to be backing off your words! IMHO, you owe Pam an apology!
Pam....Follow your passion! Your family, your adopted town, their way of life & their very survival is at
stake! The only thing minnow said that I agree with is be careful in your approach to protect yourself & your family!
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Cap
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Man, I thought I was the only one that had to figure out who to steer clear of. I chalked it up to inexperience on with this format. I am sorry to see
others tangled up with them.
Cheers Pam, you seem nice, and I like your avatar. Hang in there, if no one takes the bait, the buzzards will look elsewhere.
Fly low, land on roads.
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Minnow
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Sinlapaz. Literally, like, don't literally change your life because of what I write. This is an internet discussion forum. Hello. Why would I
apologize for being right?
Facts are facts. If you can't back up what you say with facts, we will probably not get along. However, if you can, fire away. Why is it always
the bleeding hearts that want to throw out all the rules, and make new ones that are favorable to themselves?
Cap, it lightens my heart to know I give you something to focus your energy on.
For the rest of you bleeding hearts. Why won't you answer my questions instead of clouding the issue with your personal opinions of me.
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Cap
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Minnow
For the rest of you bleeding hearts. Why won't you answer my questions instead of clouding the issue with your personal opinions of me.
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See what I mean, I think you kind of answered your own question there.
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Minnow
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So, according to your logic, if you don't like someone, their points don't
matter.
Well, Cap, what about the three other posters who asked the same question.
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Geeze Tom
I guess you made your point. Tis a shame the flag waving can only happen on one side of the border.
Hell, it's hard enough to get along w/o all the POLITICS!
Passionate people rule!
Ok, time to kiss n make up.
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longlegsinlapaz
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Minnow
Sinlapaz. Literally, like, don't literally change your life because of what I write. This is an internet discussion forum. Hello. Why would I
apologize for being right?
Facts are facts. If you can't back up what you say with facts, we will probably not get along. However, if you can, fire away. Why is it always
the bleeding hearts that want to throw out all the rules, and make new ones that are favorable to themselves? |
Yes, facts are facts, and if you'll note, I wasn't taking issue with anything but the fact that you chose to address Pam, her integrity & her
honest & deep concerns & convictions for all the people of the Loreto area in a hostile, rude & offensive manner. What rules did I
suggest be thrown out & remade for my self-interest?? If preferring to exchange differing personal opinions respectfully & with common human
courtesy makes me a bleeding heart, so be it!
Yes, it IS an internet forum, and like most things in life, it also is governed by rules....interesting to see that you feel you're above those rules!
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Minnow
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Sharks, I tried. But, As my mentor I need you to tell me what to do about leggs?
I think she might secretly be in love with me.
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Fishnet stockings come to mind....
or maybe chocolate
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As my mentor I need you to tell me what to do about leggs?
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No wonder you're so "popular".
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Has this thread hit bottom yet?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
Fishnet stockings come to mind |
Yeah, Tom...........You'd look good in those.
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