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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
How about we organize a real protest and blockade the US side of the San Ysidro border crossing and shut down sotuhbound traffic into Mexico for a few
hours! Let FOX news and others when it will happen, why it will happen and how frustrated we Americans are that our safety and security concerns are
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Probably because we would be incarcerated and the real issue would be lost because we're just a bunch of social terrorists who disobey the law. It
feels good to think about that scenario though, that many Americans would be willing to stand up for each other without being drafted to do it.
There are so many things that could be done. We just have to agree on what and FOLLOW THROUGH.
Also, people on the north side of the border have more latitude for civil disobedience than we below the border have.
My thoughts toward effective reasoning are to deal a blow to the collective wallet. I hope somewhere here, the back-room wheels of the imagination
are turning to come up with a viable suggestion.
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Lee
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Keep moving
| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
On the toll road people drive fast, it works because the bad guys can't move quick enough to catch you. And the real police are ordered to stand down
and not ticket the private toll road. There should be no real police only bandits. Do not stop on the toll road for cops, just don't do it, not right
now. Keep going with flow or faster and don't let them pass you.
In pueblos, if a pedestrian cop whistles at you to stop, dont stop. If a cop waves you over, ignore them. If you get pulled over by real policia or
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This is good. I don't cross before 7am and don't plan on stopping on the toll road either. They'll have to catch me or run me off the road.
Convoy is good.
I have a throw-away wallet too with a throw-away license. Still, I've only been asked for my license once, in Ensenada, and I gave the cop a photo
copy of the license and when he said ''this is a copy,'' I said ''yes it is."
Carry a knife.
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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DrTom
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Lee
| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
On the toll road people drive fast, it works because the bad guys can't move quick enough to catch you. And the real police are ordered to stand down
and not ticket the private toll road. There should be no real police only bandits. Do not stop on the toll road for cops, just don't do it, not right
now. Keep going with flow or faster and don't let them pass you.
In pueblos, if a pedestrian cop whistles at you to stop, dont stop. If a cop waves you over, ignore them. If you get pulled over by real policia or
federales be polite and do what they say. |
This is good. I don't cross before 7am and don't plan on stopping on the toll road either. They'll have to catch me or run me off the road.
Convoy is good.
I have a throw-away wallet too with a throw-away license. Still, I've only been asked for my license once, in Ensenada, and I gave the cop a photo
copy of the license and when he said ''this is a copy,'' I said ''yes it is."
Carry a knife. |
How bout a flare gun or spear gun?
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805gregg
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I've already changed my vacation plans. My wife and I spent 3 weeks and alot of pesos in baja this summer. We were going to take our boat and explore
by Sea of Cortez next summer we've decided to vacation state side next year.
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The Sculpin
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DrTom, keep in mind that weoponry is alot like 4 wheel drive. It's designed to get you out of trouble, not into it. That said, unless you are expert
in the use of a spear gun or flare gun, I would probably devise another plan. You may be more of a man than I, but I sure have trouble concealing a
spear gun in my pocket! I usually have a baseball bat handy, and one of those "club" devices that attach to your steering wheel. I have never used
either one. I thought of having mace or pepper spray, but I'd just end up spraying myself. Sometimes I carry one of those air horns. Let one of those
baby's rip and you have everyone's attention! However, it gets used for practical jokes more than anything else. Pretty hilarious. Based on your
responses, you're not scaring easy. I commend you on your spirit of adventure. Keep eyes peeled, and stay safe. Besides, Baja is still way safer than
Africa, the Maldives, Indonesia and Sumatra.
Whoa there, Cowboy - pull back on those reins!
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Lee
Carry a knife. |
And have the balls to use it.
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Hook
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Lee
Carry a knife. |
And have the balls to use it. |
Against ballistic weapons?
Better have more brains than more balls.
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Stickers
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Lee
Carry a knife. |
And have the balls to use it. |
Not a good idea since every incident has involved automatic weapons with crazy b...tards toting them. I have no doubt that they would waste you in a
second as they do the local and state police.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Stickers
I have no doubt that they would waste you in a second as they do the local and state police.. |
And you would do what? Stand there and let them do it?
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805gregg
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajaboy
Don't believe everything you read on the Internet.
Zac |
Would a video of the poor womens rape change your mind? Get your head out of the sand.
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Terry28
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I know the folks this happened to...it's no B.S.
Mexico!! Where two can live as cheaply as one.....but it costs twice as much.....
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Stickers
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Stickers
I have no doubt that they would waste you in a second as they do the local and state police.. |
And you would do what? Stand there and let them do it? |
I wouldn't stand there if I had 4 carloads of heavily armed guys with me or a commando team. If I didn't I would give them my money and my Toyota and
go home and have a drink.
Alternative? My brains blown out?
Make your own choice.
(I don't take my wife to Baja)
[Edited on 11-21-2007 by Stickers]
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Al G
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Damn...it is easy to read the cowards and the heroes in this post...
edit: I should not have said cowards...maybe realist...what do you think???
[Edited on 11-21-2007 by Al G]
Albert G
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The most precious thing we have is life, yet it has absolutely no trade-in value.
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Bajaboy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by 805gregg
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajaboy
Don't believe everything you read on the Internet.
Zac |
Would a video of the poor womens rape change your mind? Get your head out of the sand. |
I never said I doubted anyone's story. But I do stand by my advice.
Zac
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Marmeon
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I'd look at Vivaloha's comments.
He posted about Baja surfing on 11/19/07. That has what I consider to be the best summary of common sense driving (or doing anything else in Baja for
that matter) I've seen. Go in the daytime. Stop in downtown Ensenada to change money. But otherwise don't stop for any reason until you get to San
Quintin. Bad s&%t happens, no doubt. Everywhere, on occasion. Baja is no different. But if you aren't stupid and arrogant, I don't think the risk
is anymore there than home if you are south of the high-volume- stupid-arrogant-and-drunk-American-tourist zone.
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gnukid
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Marmeon and all
Its time to get real and stop trying to blame problems on the victim. Meth addicts will steal from their brother, they will steal garbage, they are
insane and they behaviour is not based on a response to you, your style or your actions. If they freak out on drugs and want more which happens all
day every day they will look for something to steal and it just goes on from there.
Baja is full of meth criminals and nothing short of beating them off 24/7 will stop them. So start beating them up, bring dogs, bring anything, I
think an old thule or yakima bar is the best weapon, traditional samurai techniques have come back into popularity.
[Edited on 11-22-2007 by gnukid]
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Packoderm
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I hope you mean we should beat them up - not beat them off.
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Paulina
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Packoderm
I hope you mean we should beat them up - not beat them off. |
 Oh my! TMI, plus an ugly visual.
Marmeon, it's probably best one exchanges dollars for pesos while still in the U.S. and skip the down town Ensenada money exchange part of the trip.
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[Edited on 22-11-2007 by Paulina]
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