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Tomas Tierra
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"pound for pound"
A #30 Sheepshead will outpull (IMHO) any other #30 fish in the Ocean..He may not pull for very long, but the initial bite and run are outrageous..
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Diver
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Big Baracuda anyone ?? 
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Don Alley
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
Jack Crevalle gets my vote. And I've pulled plenty of yellowtails off submerged reefs.
Trevally and Crevalle are virtually the same fish, just bigger. The same broadside power generated by swimming at right angles to the fishermen.
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Here's a pic of a bluefin trevally caught near Zihuatenejo, where they're unusual. I've never seen one as far north as Loreto but I think a few are
sometime caught around Cabo. A jack, and very similar to a jack crevalle(toro), and also a great fighter. I'd like to tangle with the big boys, the
giant trevally, someday in the other side of the pond.
[Edited on 11-30-2007 by Don Alley]
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baitcast
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A fishing hero of mine the late Zane Gray said of all the fish he had ever caught the swordfish was by far away the toughest he had ever caught,in one
of his books he and his brother hooked a sword off Catalina early pm stayed with that fish well into the night by following the line with a seachlight
only to discover the damn thing started chasing flying fish.
Exhaustion set in for the two so it was time to cut the fish loose,near midnight this was something that Gray never did,and may have been the only time.
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vandenberg
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How about the "Pelican" fish.
Caught one going out of the La Paz harbor and never had that much fun fishing in my life. The critter circled the boat for half an hour before I got
it close enough for the skipper to get the lure out of his bill.
Like flying a great looking kite without too much wind
[Edited on 11-30-2007 by vandenberg]
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baitcast
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In the very early days even before my time bluefin fishing off Catalina
island was very good and fish up to 300# were common so the Avalon tuna club was born.
The early reels were singular action wrist busters with large thumb stalls and heavy gloves linen line,how they pulled that off is beyond
me.
Gray was a pioneer in developement of the drag sytems and paid a swedish toolmaker to build one for him,cost a meager 1500$
Those fish also went by the name "horse mackeral"
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Hook
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Pound for pound..............
...........fishermen are the biggest liars on the planet.
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Roberto
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Reef yellowtail don't pull any harder, they just have the reef to wrap you around on. Kinda lilke a dog snapper in a reef.
In the open water, you are fighting YT one-on-one, and they fight well.
IMO, bluefin are up there in terms of pull. They will kick your ass and take you around the boat. Anything over 50lbs will bring an adult to their
knees. Marlin jump and shake their head, but I don't think they actually pull that hard, especially considering their size. Dorado don't pull either,
comparatively speaking, they jump and shake their head when out of the water and throw the hook.
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Don Alley
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Catalina Island, California...
I've caught striped marlin there, and caught them in Baja. The Catalina fish were smaller but fought much harder than the Baja fish. I even got
spooled with 40lb (old dacron) on a Senator once near Catalina.
Bonito I used to catch around Anacapa (Oxnard/Ventura) pulled harder than the Catalina models of the same size.
Some say it's the colder water. If so, I'll pass on the 600lb bluefin off Nova Scotia.
Reef yellowtail: How hard the fish pulls is related to how hard the fisherman pulls. If I can find ylowtail on top, off the reefs, I drop down to
lighter tackle, and neither one of us pulls as hard.
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cpg
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Pound for Pound I vote for Bonita for sure.
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comitan
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Toro-Toro!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Don Alley
How hard the fish pulls is related to how hard the fisherman pulls.
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Very true!
If you strike a bonefish and give it slack line immediately it won't even run off. It will just stay there. I've tried it many times.
It's one of the biggest beefs I have with PETA. They claim that the animal is in such pain it struggles to remove it. In fact, just give it total
freedom and it stops the struggle, hook or no hook. What fish really object to is a loss of freedom. Much like a wild bronco that experiences a rider
for the first time. But maybe the people at PETA are against that too. Have I just spoiled this thread?
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What kind of bait or lure do you use to catch a Peta? Do they fight hard?
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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Skipjack Joe
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Ohhhh.... they are tenacious.
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Manta rays anyone? A good variety of contenders and opinions. Looks like there are lots of great fish out there good for the pulling. I have always
been intrigued by the machaca de mantaraya that I have seen for sale in
La Paz. Has anyone ever tasted this or seen it anywhere else beside La Paz?
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You're all heartless. If they weren't fish, you'd probably waterboard them.
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Tomas Tierra
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vacaenbaja
Manta rays anyone? A good variety of contenders and opinions. Looks like there are lots of great fish out there good for the pulling. I have always
been intrigued by the machaca de mantaraya that I have seen for sale in
La Paz. Has anyone ever tasted this or seen it anywhere else beside La Paz? |
I have eaten fresh manta ray in central Baja several times, it's DELICOUS.never as Machaca though. I've also seen it for sale (fresh, well:? at the mercado negro in Ensenda. Never hung one, not sure if they "bite"
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What's called mantaraya is usually stingray "wings" and yes, you can hook them. I've never heard of anyone catching a giant manta ray. Now and then
some of my employees will get together for some "manta". Usually a guy from Nayarit cooks it on a "disco" (like a big wok) mixed with vegetables. It
won't hold together as filets. It tastes pretty good in tacos but I always have to get past the fact that it smells like cat food.
All my childhood I wanted to be older. Now I\'m older and this chitn sucks.
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Now that you guys have mentioned it, a "mud marlin" has got to be up there, pound for pound. What a fight!
By mud marlin, I mean a bat ray.
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Tomas Tierra
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The mantaraya I ate was out of a net, I saw the animal. Kinda sad, but what are you going to do, it's dead. Eat it! Similar prep though, fried in the
disco (what isn't?). I took a piece back to camp and cooked it thenext day on the barbie with Old Bay spice. Very different and delicous. Big , long
strands of meat..when cooking, it holds together fairly well, some of the "strands" will peel away. kinda like triple thick spaghetti. Nothing else
like it that I have eaten..
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