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soulpatch
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
If he had the goods on Gnukid after challenging him publicly, why would he simply dump the post? |
I am guessing it's because he is a nut.
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gibson
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vgabndo
Where is the DATA for this thread? Can someone point me to the original thread? Was it edited out, creating the confusion? |
it's a conspiracy by the owners of BajaNomad enticing you to be continually logged on, not to miss any drama.
DAMN this site is addicting when mixed with the love of baja, and they know it!!
"bring the Minnow back, just bar him from baja!!" 
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vgabndo
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Mood: Checking-off my bucket list.
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Gibson...amazing ain't it. I have less than 1000 posts, but I'll bet if there was a record of the number of log-on's since Doug started the site I'd
be a mega-something. It is really hard to stay away, especially when you are in the final weeks of preping for the next trip!
There are dual sport motorcycle and land sailing sites I visit, but they can't hold a candle to my interest in my "family" here on Nomads.
[Edited on 1-30-2008 by vgabndo]
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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thebajarunner
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Actually, the Minnow is back....
| Quote: | | "bring the Minnow back, just bar him from baja!!" |
and quite well behaved too, I might add!!
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gnukid
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This isn't so complicated:
A few days in a row, gringos recieved large tabs at a totally empty club after a couple drinks.
Police arrive in seconds to arrest the scoundrel gringos who question paying the mere $12541 peso surprise tab, so they move the gringos around town
in the back of a truck with guys in masks over dirt roads and stop in to taunt them at various stations.
The help comes in the form of good cops who intervene on behalf of the gringos who still pay a hefty payment to escape.
Official reports exist with official stamps, original copies, police names, victims, locations, bar owner names that states the gringos each finally
agreed to pay $3000 to be freed.
Skeet intervenes and nonsense ensues on BajaNomad as viejitos cry foul: Surfers go back to surfing.
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vgabndo
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Skeet and I have a long past of mutual respect where our common ground of experience exists in San Nicolas', and extreme ugliness on the off topic
forum (which I quit cold turkey in the middle of last year). I have not found Skeet to be accountable when any of his many false accusations were
refuted on the off topic forum. My personal experience tells me that it is perfectly correct for folks on this board to hold Skeet's feet to the
fire. In my world, you don't call a man a lier unless you've got the absolute proof and you lay it right on the %&*#$%!! table.
Here's the table Skeet. I invite you to be responsible or be accountable.
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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Roberto
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Ok, with the new "data" things look significantly different. When I posted, all I saw was tjhis post from gnukid
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Skeet has maligned the reputation of people here with no regard for the well being of residents and no factual presentation of his delusions.
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What do the added posts tell me (entirely subjective)? We are dealing with TWO (as opposed to one) certifiable kooks.
I jumped down the kids throat because I saw wild accusations with no backup. With what I see now, I wish I had kept my mouth shut. Hopefully I will
remember this lesson in the future. Carry on.
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bajabound2005
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| Quote: | | Quote: | Originally posted by thebajarunner
"bring the Minnow back, just bar him from baja!!" |
and quite well behaved too, I might add!! |
I and many other Nomads pray you are wrong!
Friends don't let friends drink white zinfandel.
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capt. mike
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i would like to know here who besides me has met Skeet face to face and talked with him - in person.
well i have - at the book signing, 1st one.
and then again in mulege.
i find him to be honest , knowledgeable and trustworthy.
and a true friend of all things Baja.
his experience is broad and deep.
when i do my Mexican development and if he's around and available i'd hire him in a heart beat.
Skeet - iligetimi whippersnappers non carborundum ol' buddy!!
formerly Ordained in Rev. Ewing\'s Church by Mail - busted on tax fraud.......
Now joined L. Ron Hoover\'s church of Appliantology
\"Remember there is a big difference between kneeling down and bending over....\"
www.facebook.com/michael.l.goering |
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vgabndo
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Mike, you obviously don't have the grave character defect of having received your college education at Cal Berkeley. Skeet has made it perfectly
clear, in his "reasonable" way, that just living in a Berkeley zip code automatically makes a person unfit to draw breath out of the same atmosphere
as a good god fearing man like himself.
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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bajadedom
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Gloves or Dueling pistols??
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Oso
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
Ok, with the new "data" things look significantly different. When I posted, all I saw was tjhis post from gnukid
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Skeet has maligned the reputation of people here with no regard for the well being of residents and no factual presentation of his delusions.
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What do the added posts tell me (entirely subjective)? We are dealing with TWO (as opposed to one) certifiable kooks.
I jumped down the kids throat because I saw wild accusations with no backup. With what I see now, I wish I had kept my mouth shut. Hopefully I will
remember this lesson in the future. Carry on. |
Oops!, me too. Stepped into it thinking it was just mud. If I'd seen what preceded what looked like an unprovoked attack, I would have been better
off with a cup of my own STFU.
All my childhood I wanted to be older. Now I\'m older and this chitn sucks.
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Natalie Ann
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vgabndo
Mike, you obviously don't have the grave character defect of having received your college education at Cal Berkeley. Skeet has made it perfectly
clear, in his "reasonable" way, that just living in a Berkeley zip code automatically makes a person unfit to draw breath out of the same atmosphere
as a good god fearing man like himself. |
I'm from Berkeley - and Skeet and I are old friends. When my friend died unexpectedly in Baja Sur, Skeet immediately sent me information about how to
proceed and who would be a good abogado to call for the legal stuff. At other times he has filled me in on special places in Baja to fly or visit via
land travel. I value his friendship and his information.
Nena
Be yourself, everyone else is already taken.
.....Oscar Wilde
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DENNIS
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I too am a member of the Skeet Fan Club.........I don't care what he said.
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Paula
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I've met Skeet, and he is a great guy. A man of strong opinions that I often don't agree with, but truly a good person.
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elgatoloco
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Perspective
the choice of a context or a reference (or the result of this choice) from which to sense, categorize, measure or codify experience, cohesively
forming a coherent belief, typically for comparing with another.
To choose a perspective is to choose a value system and, unavoidably, an associated belief system. When we look at a human perspective, it is a more
social value system and its associated beliefs.
weltanschauung
a comprehensive conception or apprehension of the world especially from a specific standpoint
ed- stolen from the internets
MAGA
marooons Are Governing America
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gnukid
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This is really silly, an initial post about police misconduct divides you posters into two groups--those that insult each other and those that defend
those who insult each other. Have you no compassion or reason?
Obviously many of you would go to great lengths to obsfucate the simple message--watch out for the overcharge scam, which leads to extortion and
kidnapping. Stay calm.
Skeet however did three things wrong, he called the witnesses liars, insulted the integrity of the victims and traumatized those involved then
attempted to damage everyones credibility.
Whatever his motivation--however good and kind and knowledgeable, he owes me and those victims and you here an apology. And he owes it to Baja to
either get involved in a helpful, kind and positive way or stay out of the issue of corruption.
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BajaTrooper
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Well... no more General Hospital for me! This is so much more katty!
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elgatoloco
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gnukid
Thanks for the heads up on the scam.
MAGA
marooons Are Governing America
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gnukid
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And really what is worse? Lets say you are a newly arrived gringo and you enter an empty restaurant in let's say la paz, you want to enjoy your visit
and you are happy to spend your money there, but something goes really weird that you don't understand--you receive a bill for $12541 pesos after
having drinks and all the glasses are on the table. The bill of $12541 would account for hundreds of drinks? It makes no sense? The restaurant owner
shows you receipts for what looks like hundreds of drinks? In the same moments 6 Policia are standing over you with guns and masks and they tell you
you are going to the ATM to get the money. So, fine you say, let's go, but they don't take you to the bank? They aggressively push you around and
throw you in the bed of a truck and drive rapidly over really bumpy dirt roads and arroyos in circles, while you fly around like a ping pong ball.
Periodically, the glaze eyed cops stop at other jail cells apparently looking for a place to hide until they arrive at one subcommandancia a long way
away. Its very small and remote and there they tell you they are going to make you pay for your crimes, no charges are filed, they is no evidence of
crimes there is only the threat of permanent life in jail if you don't pay whatever they ask and they are asking for a lot.
Now, if that happened to you, obviously there is no reasonable explanation, either there are charges such as two gringos robbed a restaurant or there
is a case of kidnapping and extortion. Either one or the other. This point is clear and the more that it sticks the easier the whole problem becomes.
If you are the victim and you don't speak spanish well or undersand the type of spanish spoken by the capital city cops, you would have no idea what
happened, or where you are, or why you are there or what they want except that guys with masks and guns are demanding money and its doesn't seem
right. In fact it seems really wrong.
Of course, if a knowledgeable Mexican authority pursued the case (which never happens) you would have many varying stories and defenses from the 6
cops, the various capitans respsonible, the restaurant owner, all of which are indefenseable to any reason or logic.
Enter Skeet, who I too believe is capable of many things like any good samaritan, including being careful, discrete and kind while asking what
happened. Just asking the question kindly can get huge results, but one must move cautiously to avoid inflaming the situation. One must simply ask the
people involved to defend their postition which is impossible--aha the catch!
Rarely does a paper trail exist in mexico which notes the masked cops names, the victims, the mastermind of the scam, the times and locations and
notes the demand for money and notes money was paid for the release of the victims. But in this case it does becuase it was obvious to fellow cops
that this wasn't meant to be, it stinks to high heaven to have this continue unabated. The report is a simple gift to anyone who will pursue it
naming the bad guys.
Whatever the case, WHO would then waste their time attacking credibility of the victims? or the report and attempt to justify that was all reasonable
or somehow deserved? You would. Skeet would. WHY because you are scared that these things happen. You would prefer to deny the reality than live with
the truth.
But that isn't the answer, the answer is to be calm, know that things will go right in the end, good people eventually are proven right and bad guys
are proven to be bad guys. So if it happens to you don't panic, the bad guys are just teasing you, they can't and wont hurt you, they are just small
town cops who are trying to intimidate you and they will eventually let you go, sooner than later. Stay Calm.
Now, go play with your dogs and let's wait for a HUGE apology from Skeet and hopefully some effort to mitigate the damage he's done in this case.
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