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Capt. George
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over the last six years that I have spent in Baja (a majority portion of each year) I have personally seen the decline in the fisheries.
Declared World Biospheres are regularly gill netted...esteros aka fish nurseries regularly gill netted, by catch kill of immature fish
staggering....cabrilla netted by the tens of thousands, everything kept, nothing returned...
A complete joke, but one that will be eventually paid for by hard working/hard fishing pangeros..."they can't see the Ocean for the Cabrilla". They
will shed some hard tears as their ninos are forced to leave their beautiful and peaceful little Pueblos...a sad day coming.
\"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men\" Plato
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Capt. George
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"cabrilla trapped by the tens of thousands, daily"....
\"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men\" Plato
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
Waiting for Skeet, at this point ..... |
You don't already know what he's going to say? |
He's going to say we're just not skilled enough.
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Roberto
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
Waiting for Skeet, at this point ..... |
You don't already know what he's going to say? |
He's going to say we're just not skilled enough. |
Or we're not using the right panguero. Or we're too busy running around nekkid on motorcycles while smoking dope (with Nena). 
[Edited on 5-9-2008 by Roberto]
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Natalie Ann
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Roberto - So... you enjoyed our outing.
Nena
Be yourself, everyone else is already taken.
.....Oscar Wilde
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Roberto
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Capt. George
over the last six years that I have spent in Baja (a majority portion of each year) I have personally seen the decline in the fisheries.
Declared World Biospheres are regularly gill netted...esteros aka fish nurseries regularly gill netted, by catch kill of immature fish
staggering....cabrilla netted by the tens of thousands, everything kept, nothing returned...
A complete joke, but one that will be eventually paid for by hard working/hard fishing pangeros..."they can't see the Ocean for the Cabrilla". They
will shed some hard tears as their ninos are forced to leave their beautiful and peaceful little Pueblos...a sad day coming. |
George, of course you're right, that's what will happen. One question -- won't this be a case of the victims being the cause of their own demise?
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Roberto
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Natalie Ann
Roberto - So... you enjoyed our outing.
Nena |
Immensely. 
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Capt. George
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Roberto, yes and no.
I was guilty of the same greed, maybe mine worse, it was not a matter of life and death for me, just a supplemental income to my FDNY salary. I would
have casted at, and sold, the last striped bass on earth had not stringent regulations been put in place, AND ENFORCED. Hey, if I don't get that fish
someone else will...The nature of the beast.
Until the Mexican Politicos stop getting paid and begin looking out for the future of it's people this mayhem will continue. I am not in favor of most
Gov't regs. (in fact, I fought the U.S. Interior Dept for 15 years) but sometimes it simply becomes a necessary evil for the good of all.
As outsiders, we can only hope for a change.
\"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men\" Plato
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Skeet/Loreto
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The Past 40 years I spent on the Sea of Cortez, The Longliners have been working, the Local Fisherman have been netting, The Shrimpers left Loreto,
The Squid Fisherman pulled 4 o Tons a nite out in the Front of Loreto and other Places, However on my recent Trip I saw the Sea of Cortex as it was 30
years ago, Millions of Bait, Thousands of Yellowtail on top of the Water, Sharks Feeding, Dolphins Feeding Birds every where!!
Why??
I think that there is a Truck Load of BS being Spread around.. Put you Boots on George. this is Not
Cape Cod!!
Seems as if some of those Naysayers should go and take a Look.
Skeet/Loreto
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Diver
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What ? Nothing about nekkid motorbikers ?!?!
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Capt. George
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Skeet, can I borrow your boots?, they're much larger.
And you're right, it's not Cape Cod, it's much worse as far as the decimation of fish populations are going...
You're living in the past Skeet, good for you. Keep your dreams alive.
\"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men\" Plato
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Skipjack Joe
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Sometimes the bajanomad forums remind me of a joke we used to tell in junior high. Perhaps you've heard it tambien.
It seems a new inmate arrives in jail one days and hears the following:
first inmate: 45!
remaining inmates: laughter
second inmate: 67!
remaining inmates: more laughter
third inmate: 109!
remaining inmates: everone is busting up with uncontrolable laughter
Finally the new inmate turns to his neighbor and asks him what the heck is going on. Well, he's told, they've all heard the jokes so many times that
they've numbered them and no longer bother actually saying them. Gratefully, the new guy joins in.
78!
laughter
and then 45!
silence
Surprised, the new inmate again turns to his neighbor for an explanation. Oh, he's told, someone told 45 yesterday.
Are discussions becoming that predictable amongst ourselves also?
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Cypress
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That old highway goes on forever and the party never ends. If you think you've heard all this BS before you're probably right. The northern Gulf of Mexico during the late 70's thru the 80's was gill-netted and
overfished by both commercial and recreational fisherman.  The fish are returning
now, but only after the gill-netting was limited/prohibited and recreational quotas were set as well as enforced.
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Roberto
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
Are discussions becoming that predictable amongst ourselves also? |
Pretty much.
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Capt. George
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who really gives a rats ass if they are?
\"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men\" Plato
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Skeet/Loreto
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Answer one Question:
Why do I go onto the Sea of Cortez a Month ago and see the waters and Fish as they have been all the Years Past??????
The Fish are back in Wholesale Numbers and you Idots haven't the Brains or the Courage to go see for yourselves.
Children, wake up! Spend a few Bucks and go observe. Hire a Panga, go to Mulege then down to St. Tersa, Pulpito, Del Elfonso, but No, you wont do that
you will depend on some Weak-Minded Berkerly Graduate to control your Minds. What a Shame!
My Kids and Grandkids will still be fishing the Great Sea Of Cortez while yours will be moaning and Groaning that there is No Fish in the Sea of
Cortez.
Oh! You Poor Babies!
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Roberto
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Ok, I'm going to try this one.
Skeet -- there are folks on here who actually LIVE in the area you are talking about, and they report a reality very different from yours. How do you
explain that?
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Diver
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
Skeet -- there are folks on here who actually LIVE in the area you are talking about, and they report a reality very different from yours. How do you
explain that? |
He already has; they are children and Idiots !
So good to have someone like Skeet here to set us straight. 
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backninedan
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He can't. One or two days hot fishing and Skeet has wriitten and entire new history of the Sea of Cortez fishery.
I don't contend that fishing has gone to hell or anything like that, but Skeets sweeping statement that concludes fishing is as good as it ever was
is foolish, and to call anybody that says otherwise a brainless coward?? How sad.
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fishbuck
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Answer one Question:
Why do I go onto the Sea of Cortez a Month ago and see the waters and Fish as they have been all the Years Past??????
The Fish are back in Wholesale Numbers and you Idots haven't the Brains or the Courage to go see for yourselves.
Children, wake up! Spend a few Bucks and go observe. Hire a Panga, go to Mulege then down to St. Tersa, Pulpito, Del Elfonso, but No, you wont do that
you will depend on some Weak-Minded Berkerly Graduate to control your Minds. What a Shame!
My Kids and Grandkids will still be fishing the Great Sea Of Cortez while yours will be moaning and Groaning that there is No Fish in the Sea of
Cortez.
Oh! You Poor Babies!
Skeet/Loreto |
That's right Skeets. Let em have it with both barrels
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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