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Russ
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Well, after the case of warm Tacate and a bunch of tokillya, no Wild Turkey, I'm truly hurting this morning and have a whole new appreciation for our
finned friends.....  No more hooks for me! I'm now using dynamite.
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baitcast
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YES>>>>>>>>KILL>>>>>>>>KILL,I think i,m feeling better by the minute.
MORE HORMONES >>>YES<<<<<<YES.
You guys kill me 
Rob
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bajaguy
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Hey, what about dropping a live lobster into a pot of boiling water??????
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Osprey
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I used to take off one of the rubber bands on the Maine lobster's claws (to make it more fair) before I placed them on the floor in the kitchen so my
dogs could play with them a little while before they went into the pot. Great fun but that was in the states. I don't do that down here because these
lobsters have no claws and it's too hard to keep the tape on the dog's mouth (to make it fair). I think I am losing it -- maybe my sperm are just
kicking back in tiny little lounge chairs, not practicing swimming strokes.
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Pescador
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Viagra, the fisherman's friend.
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baitcast
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Skipjack Joe
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What is moral is what feels good after
| Quote: | Originally posted by Iflyfish
I once caught a wonderful, beautiful Steelhead in an Oregon stream...
I kissed it and let it go. It moved me.
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That's where you went wrong, Iflyfish. You weren't supposed to enjoy that moment.
Here are the rules as I understand them. If you catch a fish and it goes on the dinner table. That's good. Enjoy yourself. If you release the fish. No
good. You're supposed to feel guilty.
I like to compare it to the church's view on sex a century ago. If you do it with the intent to procreate, more power to you. You're serving mankind
(and God).If you're just enjoying it for it's own sake - hell and damnation.
It's the intent that's important according to these ethics. You're supposed to regulate your feelings based upon the intent. You can't simply trust
your feelings.
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Cypress
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Skipjack Joe, Now we have fishing and sex all tangled up. If the fish aren't biting it's time to turn to other activities.
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Iflyfish
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Shipjack, you crack me up!
"I like to compare it to the church's view on sex a century ago. If you do it with the intent to procreate, more power to you. You're serving mankind
(and God).If you're just enjoying it for it's own sake - hell and damnation."
I have never clanded fish with the intent of having s.. with them, however I am a very tolerant person and if that is your predaliction, and the fish
are willing...heh, who am I to complain?
If there were indeed an afterlife, I would expect that I would have the most interesting people around me, you included probably! Others can have the
harps and choirs.
You crack me up!
Iflyfish
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Sharksbaja
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Ospreys are not sisssies!
They are apex predators!
Geeze Skip, now we have to think about it?
Ok let's fess up.
I think it's pretty instinctive to kill and eat. Therefore I'll do my best and try to take into account a little thought and wisdom as to what and how
much I gather.
I think that comes with years of feedback, both from the wild and from information I can remember.
There are folks out their protecting butterflys and snail-darters and I'm sure that seems petty to many. Of course they are not apex predators like
ospreys or sharks and their signifigance may not be clear to you, or me either. You get my drift?
My point being that some of us that kill fish consider our own set of logic and morals. I feel perhaps by limiting my take I may make a tiny, yet
collectively significant impact on the areas I use.
I have always practiced selective hunting/gathering. Like when picking wild mushrooms. Some species will refruit or maintain a viable producing bed
if you take the time to cut the fruitbody off with a knife rather than pull it out of the ground.
Now I didn't know that for many years. It's the same education you get from the ocean thru osmosis. You become familiar with certain elements and the
dynamics of your connection with the ocean/surroundings and it's inhabitants.
It's like my accountant once said" it's better to be a pig than not a hog in biz"
I can't speak for other longtime ocean users/fish killers but my attitude has evolved tremendously over years. As the areas deflourished over the
years my appreciation and admiration grew for the few that prevailed.
I still weigh in on what I feel is my duty to practice with appropriate restraint. That doesn't mean feeding the whole restaurant with todays'
personal catch. No, I support the livelyhoods of the not-so-fortunate local commercials here. It's their job to sell their catch to a restaurant or
distributer in order to pay the bills.
The same goes for the panga fisherman. Do you suppose they appreciate recreational fishermen providing free product to the restaurants? Yeah I know
many of you guys have "special" relationships with the owners/chefs and I am POSITIVE they are grateful to have free fish to make a profit on. Why
wouldn't they be.
That may not make the local pangueros happy though. They are actually working out there on the sea not having fun recreating like you are. 
(donning body armor now)
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Iflyfish
I have never landed fish with the intent of having s.. with them
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Given the topic, I assume the s.. means sushi. Why not? Fish love sushi. You know how you say sushi in Spanish?.......Carnada.
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Iflyfish
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Sharks, I can't wait to try your catch of the day, or for that matter anything on your great menu. How is the closure of salmon fishing affecting the
coast? Do you think there will be a good crab season.
To those on the BajaNomad site who poo poo the notion of the degradation of fish populations, the entire Salmon season is CLOSED along the Pacific
Coast. Some Berkley educated idiot no doubt is behind this, right? The Sacramento Run of Salmon, which turn north and feed off the Oregon Coast and
then return there to spawn, have been reduced to such drastically low levels that this closure that the entire coast to the Canadian border is closed.
Shades of things to come if we are not careful amigos.
Iflyfish
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Cypress
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Sharksbaja, Very good point. Listen up all you so-called recreational
fisherman.The fish you give away is taking the bread off a commercial fishermans
table.
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Iflyfish
I hit the worn button and posted the above without finishing it.
As I slow down and appreciate that which is around me I share the feelings that you have expressed. I see women more clearly, appreciate them more and
release way more fish than I ever did in my youth.
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Hmmmmm! I see fish more clearly but I release way more women than I ever did in my youth. Of course, I've been released by a few women too, only to
live another day. Must be some kinda Freudian, psycho/sexual thing. 
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Iflyfish
Shipjack, you crack me up!
"I like to compare it to the church's view on sex a century ago. If you do it with the intent to procreate, more power to you. You're serving mankind
(and God).If you're just enjoying it for it's own sake - hell and damnation."
I have never clanded fish with the intent of having s.. with them, however I am a very tolerant person and if that is your predaliction, and the fish
are willing...heh, who am I to complain?
If there were indeed an afterlife, I would expect that I would have the most interesting people around me, you included probably! Others can have the
harps and choirs.
You crack me up!
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That's me - a barrel of laughs.
Perhaps I should elaborate.
As you pointed out we have fangs for a reason. There are certain biological roots that go way back. Two of them are the desire to procreate and the
desire to pursue food. We have been created to enjoy doing both. It makes no sense to me to legislate or moralize about such basic human needs. In my
opinion they always fail. I make the comparison because we are wired to like both in order to survive as a species. I like the comparison and see
value in it.
P.S.
As you know the salmon fishery has closed on our coast for several reasons, but one of the main ones is that the runoff water in california is being
diverted by the agribusiness. The people who have fought the longest to preserve our water flows and all the riparian wildlife that goes with it have
been sportfishermen. I know this for a fact 'cause I've been getting an endless stream of requests to write to congressmen on these issues for
decades. Strange that a group of 'torturers' would put so much more time and work into this than the 'moral' people living in the large metropolitan
areas.
[Edited on 6-6-2008 by Skipjack Joe]
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Osprey
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Skip, uh huh, yeah, almost fascinating.
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fishbuck
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I'm glad to see Osprey took my little jab as it was intended. Which was in jest.
I'm all for treating animals as humanely as possible. Not for them but for me. It certainly may be somewhat instinctive to be a blood thirsty brute
but it's not very helpful in modern life.
I do like to take fish for subsitance and will take 1 fish per day if I can. I don't like eating frozen fish so it will go to waste and that is a
crime against nature for sure.
When I caught my big rooster a couple weeks ago my only regret was that I didn't get the hook out before he "released" himself. I wanted a great photo
but I was concerned about lifting a fatigued fish out of the water. I'm sure he was none the worse for the wear and I was grateful the he interupted
his busy day to play with me for a while.
Fish are my little buddies in the water and I love to look at them when I'm diving.
Okay, that little admission seems to have sapped my tetosterone a little so I need to go yell at one of my coowerkers for no good reason and get
pumped back up a little.
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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Sharksbaja
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Arrrrrrrgh, mmfftt, grrrrrrr! Yes I do feel better now. Nothing like a good(fish) fight to get the manstuff flowing! You are good sports and
sportsmen.
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
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bajadogs
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GREAT topic Osprey! ¡Gracias!
| Quote: | Originally posted by Iflyfish
I believe that there is a reason that we have inherited a set of canine teeth. |
Iffyfish,
Nature leaves us with so many clues,
we are so slow to understand -
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baitcast
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But this guy is a veggie eater,why the canine teeth?
Always wondered about that,strange don,t you think.
Rob
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