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New motto for the cities of Tijuana and Rosarito Beach:
NO NEWS IS GOOD NEWS
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Any one see this?
Better to stay away from LA, it's dangerous....
| Quote: | 14 killed in weekend violence in L.A. County
June 10, 2008
Violence on the streets of Los Angeles County took 14 lives this weekend, underscoring the struggles of local law
enforcement in dealing with a rise in homicides this year.
The bloodshed continued Monday, when two people were shot near the Blue Line light rail line near Wilmington Avenue and
Imperial Highway.
Most of the weekend homicides were described by authorities as gang-related. They occurred across the county but were
concentrated in high-crime areas such as South L.A. and the northeast San Fernando Valley.
In the city of Los Angeles, homicides are up 8% over the previous year. |
LA Times
[Edited on 6-10-2008 by Taco de Baja]
Truth generally lies in the coordination of antagonistic opinions
-Herbert Spencer
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I like your template Sloopy 
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Taco de Baja
The bloodshed continued Monday, when two people were shot near the Blue Line light rail line near Wilmington Avenue and Imperial Highway.
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Hard to imagine all this nastiness in such a nice neighborhood.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
That's fifty more full time crooks available for the narcos to hire tomorrow. Is this the same housecleaning as last Decembers sweep of Rosarito
Beachs police or is this the new, smarter and better trained ones (or their trainers)going corrupt in five short months?
I didn't see any smoke on the blvd 2000 early this afternoon. I was riding my dirt bike on the side roads today and had a great view of it. I am
always on the look out for body parts amongst all the trash though.
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Woosh,
I seem to remember that when the initial fireings were announced I believe they said the training was only for the new hires ... Maybe they
had planned all along to fire the entire department ... Just had to bring the new guys up to speed first .... In anycase all those let go and fired
should have been charged and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law
CaboRon
Where is Paladin when we need him?
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Taco de Baja...you are right on...way too much time spent bashing Baja...It is a lot more violent in the "civilized " world of Calif. Maybe people
should boycott Calif....not a bad idea!!
Mexico!! Where two can live as cheaply as one.....but it costs twice as much.....
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From the L.A. times today
10 dead over weekend in Tijuana area
Two young women shot execution-style are among the victims in the seven incidents, some apparently unrelated to drug warfare, according to Mexican
police.
By Richard Marosi, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
June 10, 2008
SAN DIEGO -- Ten people were killed between Saturday and Monday, including two young women and a police officer, as the Tijuana area suffered its
worst bout of violence since an April shootout that killed 13 gunmen, Baja California authorities said.
Most of the seven incidents did not appear directly related to the Mexican government's offensive against organized crime, which has claimed more than
170 lives this year in Tijuana.
Tijuana's elite flee to San Diego County to escape kidnappings and violence in Mexico
Public's outrage helps free kidnapped Tijuana surgeon
LA PLAZA: News and observations on Latin America
The two women's deaths were the exception. Their bodies were discovered Sunday morning on a hillside in eastern Tijuana. They had been shot
execution-style with large-caliber bullets, the kind typically used by drug cartel gunmen, according to the attorney general's office.
The women, both believed to be in their 20s, have not been identified, and police did not have a motive in the case.
Authorities said the municipal police officer, Gustavo Salas Reyes, a 16-year veteran, was shot after an argument in a bar early Sunday morning. Two
men died Saturday night in separate incidents, including one at a taco stand slain in a drive-by shooting, authorities said.
On Sunday, police discovered the bodies of three suspected car thieves on a Rosarito Beach hillside. Two more people were killed Monday, but little
information was available on those cases.
No arrests had been made in any of the slayings, authorities said.
richard.marosi@latimes.com
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Taco de Baja
Any one see this?
Better to stay away from LA, it's dangerous.... |
Let's examine that:
Population of Los Angeles County = 10 million
Population of Baja = 3 million
So when 10 people are murdered in Tj over the weekend and at least 1 other in Mexicali, that works out to a murder rate that is 3 times the rate in
Los Angeles county, per capita. But then, you need to go behind the numbers. Look at the names of the people who were killed in Los Angeles County.
You'll see not much of it was gabacho-on-gabacho, but mostly latino-on-latino...imported from Mexico.
That should be no surprise when you consider that 47% of the population of Los Angeles County is latino and the the city of Los Angeles is the 2nd
largest Spanish-speaking city in the world, after DF.
So, maybe you need to rethink your statement about staying away from Los Angeles. Perhaps it should be "Stay away from Latinos, they're dangerous"?
Allan Wall has an interesting take on all this, and some good statistics:
http://www.vdare.com/awall/080609_memo.htm
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Taco de Baja
Any one see this?
Better to stay away from LA, it's dangerous....
| Quote: | 14 killed in weekend violence in L.A. County
June 10, 2008
Violence on the streets of Los Angeles County took 14 lives this weekend, underscoring the struggles of local law
enforcement in dealing with a rise in homicides this year.
The bloodshed continued Monday, when two people were shot near the Blue Line light rail line near Wilmington Avenue and
Imperial Highway.
Most of the weekend homicides were described by authorities as gang-related. They occurred across the county but were
concentrated in high-crime areas such as South L.A. and the northeast San Fernando Valley.
In the city of Los Angeles, homicides are up 8% over the previous year. |
LA Times
[Edited on 6-10-2008 by Taco de Baja] |
The huge difference is that LA police and authorities tell you up front that large parts of LA are dangerous at night, and to stay away. Mexico on
the other hand has the welcome mat out for visitors 24/7 and denies safety is a problem.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fulano
So, maybe you need to rethink your statement about staying away from Los Angeles. Perhaps it should be "Stay away from Latinos, they're dangerous"?
Allan Wall has an interesting take on all this, and some good statistics:
http://www.vdare.com/awall/080609_memo.htm |
And we should stay away from Blacks too because God knows they're dangerous. And the Southeast Asian gangs are extremely ruthless, so we should steer
clear of Asians as well. Don't forget the Russians and Armenians either, and one has to be particularly careful with them because they're harder to
spot and avoid, being white and all. And most Arab immigrants are likely terrorist sympathizers if not worse. Come to think of it, we should
probably deport them all, anyone whose grandparents weren't born in this country, because they likely come from countries whose moral values aren't as
pristine as those inculcated in those of us born and raised in America. Oops, but that would mean I'd be deported too, and rightly so since my
grandfather was a member of the Irish Republican Army and, thus, a terrorist by any good American's standards.
In all seriousness, I'd really like to know what people like Alan Wall are doing living in Mexico. Is it not enough to confine such ethnocentricism
and xenophobia to our own country? Do we really need such people to travel to other countries as U.S. ambassadors of ill-will? His article would be
laughable were it not for the idiots who will read it and take the statistics and citations at face value.
This kind of stuff sickens me. I interviewed inmates at the main jail in one of the largest cities in California for a few years, and I can tell you
that that neither Latinos nor African Americans nor any other non-whitebread ethnic group made up the majority of arrests. No one ethnic group causes
crime; crime and violence are caused by greed, poverty, and the kind of class-driven bigotry that has been so nicely manifested here.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Aventurera
Come to think of it, we should probably deport them all, anyone whose grandparents weren't born in this country, because they likely come from
countries whose moral values aren't as pristine as those inculcated in those of us born and raised in America. ...In all seriousness, I'd really like
to know what people like Alan Wall are doing living in Mexico. Is it not enough to confine such ethnocentricism and xenophobia to our own country?
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Alan Wall is married to a Mexican woman and raising his two boys there while he teaches college level English. As for your other hyperboles, perhaps
you should read this speech by former Colorado Governor Richard Lamm. He happens to be a Democrat:
| Quote: | I have a plan to destroy America
By Richard D. Lamm
I have a secret plan to destroy America. If you believe, as many do, that America is too smug, too white bread, too self-satisfied, too rich, let's
destroy America. It is not that hard to do. History shows that nations are more fragile than their citizens think. No nation in history has survived
the ravages of time. Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and they all fall, and that "an autopsy of history would show that all
great nations commit suicide." Here is my plan:
We must first make America a bilingual-bicultural country. History shows, in my opinion, that no nation can survive the tension, conflict and
antagonism of two competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; it is a curse for a society to be bilingual.
One scholar, Seymour Martin Lipset, put it this way: "The histories of bilingual and bicultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of
turmoil, tension and tragedy. Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, Lebanon – all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if
not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with its Basques, Bretons and
Corsicans."
I would then invent "multiculturalism" and encourage immigrants to maintain their own culture. I would make it an article of belief that all cultures
are equal: that there are no cultural differences that are important. I would declare it an article of faith that the black and Hispanic dropout rate
is only due to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out-of-bounds.
We can make the United States a "Hispanic Quebec" without much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said
in the Atlantic Monthly recently, "The apparent success of our own multiethnic and multicultural experiment might have been achieved, not by
tolerance, but by hegemony. Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentrically, and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only
tolerance and pluralism to hold us together." I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot
metaphor with a salad bowl metaphor. It is important to insure that we have various cultural sub-groups living in America reinforcing their
differences, rather than Americans emphasizing their similarities.
Having done all this, I would make our fastest-growing demographic group the least educated – I would add a second underclass, unassimilated,
undereducated and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50 percent dropout rate from school.
I would then get the big foundations and big business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish
the cult of victimology. I would get all minorities to think their lack of success was all the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance
industry blaming all minority failure on the majority population.
I would establish dual citizenship and promote divided loyalties. I would "celebrate diversity." "Diversity" is a wonderfully seductive word. It
stresses differences rather than commonalities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other – that is, when they are not killing
each other. A "diverse," peaceful or stable society is against most historical precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation
together, and we can take advantage of this myopia.
Look at the ancient Greeks. Dorf's "World History" tells us: "The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common
language and literature; and they worshiped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic Games in honor of Zeus, and all Greeks venerated the
shrine of Apollo at Delphi. A common enemy, Persia, threatened their liberty. Yet, all of these bonds together were not strong enough to overcome two
factors ... (local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions ...)" If we can put the emphasis on the "pluribus,"
instead of the "unum," we can balkanize America as surely as Kosovo.
Then I would place all these subjects off-limits – make it taboo to talk about. I would find a word similar to "heretic" in the 16th century – that
stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like "racist", "xenophobe" halt argument and conversation. Having made America a bilingual-bicultural
country, having established multiculturalism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of "victimology," I would next make it impossible to
enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra – "because immigration has been good for America, it must always be good." I would make every
individual immigrant sympatric and ignore the cumulative impact.
Lastly, I would censor Victor Davis Hanson's book "Mexifornia" – this book is dangerous; it exposes my plan to destroy America. So please, please – if
you feel that America deserves to be destroyed – please, please – don't buy this book! This guy is on to my plan. |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Aventurera
| Quote: | Originally posted by fulano
So, maybe you need to rethink your statement about staying away from Los Angeles. Perhaps it should be "Stay away from Latinos, they're dangerous"?
Allan Wall has an interesting take on all this, and some good statistics:
http://www.vdare.com/awall/080609_memo.htm |
And we should stay away from Blacks too because God knows they're dangerous. And the Southeast Asian gangs are extremely ruthless, so we should steer
clear of Asians as well. Don't forget the Russians and Armenians either, and one has to be particularly careful with them because they're harder to
spot and avoid, being white and all. And most Arab immigrants are likely terrorist sympathizers if not worse. Come to think of it, we should
probably deport them all, anyone whose grandparents weren't born in this country, because they likely come from countries whose moral values aren't as
pristine as those inculcated in those of us born and raised in America. Oops, but that would mean I'd be deported too, and rightly so since my
grandfather was a member of the Irish Republican Army and, thus, a terrorist by any good American's standards.
In all seriousness, I'd really like to know what people like Alan Wall are doing living in Mexico. Is it not enough to confine such ethnocentricism
and xenophobia to our own country? Do we really need such people to travel to other countries as U.S. ambassadors of ill-will? His article would be
laughable were it not for the idiots who will read it and take the statistics and citations at face value.
This kind of stuff sickens me. I interviewed inmates at the main jail in one of the largest cities in California for a few years, and I can tell you
that that neither Latinos nor African Americans nor any other non-whitebread ethnic group made up the majority of arrests. No one ethnic group causes
crime; crime and violence are caused by greed, poverty, and the kind of class-driven bigotry that has been so nicely manifested here.
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I just read that ariticle, and that man lives in Mexico?
Those kind of xenophobic attitudes are disgusting enough coming from someone who lives in the US, but from an ex-pat---really difficult to understand.
The following is a famous xenophobic speech from long ago in this country.
I agree that these people are a matter of great concern to us. I fear that one day, through their mistakes or ours, great troubles may occur. The
ones who come here are usually the most stupid of their nation. Few understand our language, so we cannot communicate with them through our
newspapers. Their priests and religious leaders seem to have little influence over them. They are not used to freedom and do not know how to use it
properly.
And now they are coming to our country in great numbers. Few of their children know English. They bring in much of their own reading from their
homeland and print newspapers in their own language. In some parts of our state, ads, street signs, and even legal documents are in their own
language and allowed in courts. Unless the stream of these people can be turned away from their country to other countries, they will soon
outnumber us so that we will not be able to save our language or our government!
I love and admire old Ben Franklin, but that is what he had to say about the Germans who were immigrating to the US. Some things don't change.
Having taught school in a California Maximum Security Prision, the gangs that were often the most feared were the White Aryan Brotherhood---not nice
guys.
I liked your post.
Diane
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by fdt
Blvd 2000? Must be hear-say. |
Nope, not when the source is provided! Just appreciate facts not rumors... more accurate that way I think Ferna...
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Risking being called hostile, picky and interfering with your messages, David you might consider the following.
Having lived in countries where kidnapping, political murders, and the like occur often, and having personally known families who have been victims of
these crimes, often there in NO official record of what happened.
Families negotiate with the kidnappers, they don't report or pursue the killings out of fear of retaliation. Gees, in the Honduran town where we
lived, everyone knew which gang group was responsible for the robbery of one of the local stores that included the murder of one of the security
people. They would not pursue it out of fear of what might happen to their children---a couple of whom were my students.
When this type of crime is happening, only a very small part of it is reported in these countries, but the locals all know what is happening. There
are other ways of passing information. Yes, rumors are dangerous, but local knowledge is very valuable.
If the locals say some place is dangerous, it is wise to listen to them and not require written documentation. It is a part of the difference in
cultures.
We still travel back and forth on a regular basis, but until the locals feel comfortable travelling Ave. 2000, we will avoid it.
Diane
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fulano
Alan Wall is married to a Mexican woman and raising his two boys there while he teaches college level English. |
Being married to a Mexican woman does not alone excuse or qualify the premise. It might fall somewhere between self-hatred and the "my best friend is
X" argument. Certainly, self-hatred is evident in Mexico itself with the constant desprecio toward indigenous people. I won't argue that 'evil' is
American-made nor that Mexico isn't changing and evolving; however, it's ludicrous to argue that our culture has not at the very least stimulated much
of Mexico's "moral decline." Not, as he suggests, through rap music or movies but rather through the movement of the people back and forth across the
border. Migrant families save up all their money in the U.S. just to head home and show it off. Mexican immigrants, particularly the young people,
take bits of America -- and unfortunately often the worst bits -- back to Mexico. American-raised gang members, often having grown up marginalized in
our society, get deported and take the gang mentality with them.
And sealing the borders isn't the logical or the moral answer. The answer is to work together to seek a humane solution, both over there and here.
In my opinion, Mexico has made a lot of progress over the last ten years or so, and we need to work with them as the country evolves. The point is
that Mexico is not suffering because of the ethnic roots of its people. There are a great many factors that have led to the current state of
affairs...that same greed and poverty I mentioned before, topped with classism and intolerance both from within and from their neighbors to the north.
In a nutshell, though, for me it is like talking about my mother. I can criticize her all day long, but once someone else does it, he's dog meat.
It's about the pride and love that a people have for their country, something that an outsider, no matter what ties he/she has to the country, would
be wise to always respect.
And I think this has wandered way off-topic!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fulano
As for your other hyperboles, perhaps you should read this speech by former Colorado Governor Richard Lamm. He happens to be a Democrat:
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Ok, governor of COLORADO 20 years ago and the same guy who said that people with a terminal illness "have a duty to die and get out of the way." Also,
someone who obviously knows little of the world currently or historically.
Not precisely a reliable or valid source of information, let alone inspiration.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Aventurera
I won't argue that 'evil' is American-made nor that Mexico isn't changing and evolving; however, it's ludicrous to argue that our culture has not at
the very least stimulated much of Mexico's "moral decline." |
When you infantilize a people like that, by suggesting that they behave as they do because they have been introduced to a morally decadent culture,
you really do them a disservice. It is the same as saying that Mexicans are a stupid people, or else that they park their brains in Mexico when they
come to the US.
Each person is responsible for his own behavior. You are buying into the liberal cop-out that somehow society has failed and society has to do
something more. It is like that old Flip Wilson joke: "The devil made me do it!" It is a failure to assume responsibility for ones own actions.
[Edited on 6-11-2008 by fulano]
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