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tripledigitken
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fulano
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
Mexico should adopt the law President Chavez was going to enact for Venuzuela- basinally that citizens are required by law to turn in any criminal
they have knowledge of to a specail unit of the federal government. |
25% of Mexico's GDP is from criminal activities: drugs, mordida, theft, etc. It's the 2nd largest source of revenues, after oil.
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Fulano,
How has have these issues affected your travels to Baja?
Ken
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DENNIS
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Thanks, fulano.That answers a good part of my question from a merchants point of view. Wish we had access to a Mexican site similar to Nomad to
really get a feel of the common citizen point of view instead of some paid government liar.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
Mexico should adopt the law President Chavez was going to enact for Venuzuela- basinally that citizens are required by law to turn in any criminal
they have knowledge of to a specail unit of the federal government. |
Hitler's Youth Corp revisited.
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Woooosh
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The way the peso is headed- yes remittances are #2 right now and in need of a wipe.
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fulano
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tripledigitken
Fulano,
How has have these issues affected your travels to Baja?
Ken |
They haven't. I stopped travelling to Baja a few years back when I became very ill and had to stay close to my doctors. I still pop in to TJ every
once in awhile because my dentist is there. I usually have a lunch at Cafe La Especial, stop by El Rey del Tamales on Ninos Heroes to pick up a couple
dozen tamales to bring back, and head home.
You don't know me, but the other half of my family is Latino. So I can practice all the Spanish and get all the sizzle and smoke of things Latino
without having to travel. I think you live in Lakeside, and I live up the hill in Ramona. You already know the climate here is the same as in Baja, so
I don' t need the change in climate like the Canucks.
After being married to a Latina for 30-years, and living in Latino households with suegras, cunadas, sobrinos and primos for years, it's hard for me
to find anything exotic about being in Baja. It's just another place to me. But I do like the people and really feel sorry for the incredible mierda
they have to put up with living in Mexico with a 3rd world infrastructure, with an oppressive patronage system and a joke of a judical system.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
Mexico should adopt the law President Chavez was going to enact for Venuzuela- basinally that citizens are required by law to turn in any criminal
they have knowledge of to a specail unit of the federal government. |
Hitler's Youth Corp revisited. |
I'll bite. If the Mexicans could be half as effective at identifying and wiping out the corrupt and narcos as the Hitler Youth was at identifying
jews, gays and gypsies for extermination... this narco war would end.
McCarthyism anyone for dessert? IMHO people get the government they deserve. As long as the Mexican people are sheep they will be slaughtered. I
hope the La Raza convention in San Diego next month addresses how important it is for all Mexican activists to return to Mexico to save it while there
is still time. Change comes from the people and they need to cowboy-up. What they lack is leadership- because the leaders get killed the first time
they open their mouths down here.
As bad as Saddam Hussein was, he kept the mess that is Iraq basically "together-apart" but the people were better off overall with him in power- even
with his huge flaws. We've killed and displaced thousands more Iraqis than Saddam ever would have. He was a tyrant- but for them it worked in a
twisted cruel way than is life in the Muslim world. People have and ususally get the government they deserve.
[Edited on 6-10-2008 by Woooosh]
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jodiego
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
Mexico should adopt the law President Chavez was going to enact for Venuzuela- basinally that citizens are required by law to turn in any criminal
they have knowledge of to a specail unit of the federal government. |
Hitler's Youth Corp revisited. |
Sounds a lot like George Bush and one of his Homeland Security tactics. Hmmmm Bush...Hitler
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
I hope the La Raza convention in San Diego next month addresses how important it is for all Mexican activists to return to Mexico to save it while
there is still time. |
That is soooo funny or it would be if the thought of upcoming rhetoric at the convention center didn't make me sick. As long as the convention runs,
I have to remember to not be anywhere near a news source without my barf bag.
Oh yeah, our presidential candidates are going to drop in just to kiss some Latino butt by promising to give away more of our country.
The thought of them returning is a comfy one at that. This time, they could use the road.
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fulano
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Wish we had access to a Mexican site similar to Nomad to really get a feel of the common citizen point of view instead of some paid government liar.
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There's lot's of Mexican Forums out there. Try this index:
http://foro.forosmexico.com/index.php
People are the same all over the world.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fulano
People are the same all over the world. |
Kumbaya, brother fulano. Have you visited Off Topic lately?
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fulano
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by fulano
People are the same all over the world. |
Kumbaya, brother fulano. Have you visited Off Topic lately? |
Why do you suppose I said people are the same all over the world?
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fulano
Why do you suppose I said people are the same all over the world?
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OK...I'm catching up. It's been a hard day.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
I hope the La Raza convention in San Diego next month addresses how important it is for all Mexican activists to return to Mexico to save it while
there is still time. |
That is soooo funny or it would be if the thought of upcoming rhetoric at the convention center didn't make me sick. As long as the convention runs,
I have to remember to not be anywhere near a news source without my barf bag.
Oh yeah, our presidential candidates are going to drop in just to kiss some Latino butt by promising to give away more of our country.
The thought of them returning is a comfy one at that. This time, they could use the road. |
Yeah, I know La Raza will never addess the real issue, even when just 20 miles from it. La Raza is holding seminars and workshops on the real
problems for latinos- "of particular interest- the mortgage crisis."
Wouldn't that make a great political cartoon--- La Raza fiddling in San Diego while TJ is burning?
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Freebird
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US people is afraid of police, robbery and narcos all along Tj-Rosarito areas. Thatīs the truth. Waiting times at the line are the same as usual...
| Quote: | | Mexico is going to broke in less than a year anyway. It's just a matter if they go bust in a civilized manner like Argentina or all hell breaks
loose. I'm predicting the latter unless they get a grip on the crime now. |
Mexico is different from Argentina. I was born in Argentina and live in Mexico (Rosarito) and knowing the situation I tell you, Mexico has stronger
economy, a bigger GDP and a shared border with USA... last one counts.
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Iflyfish
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Freebird, I find your post interesting. It is useful to hear from another Latin American perspective.
Does the phrase Ne Modo have the same meaning in Argentina? Does that concept underly thinking there?
I doubt that things are that different for the average Mexican than it was under the Ciques, Spanish or the Church. Stand up and you are beheaded and
your family enslaved. Stand up against the Cartels and you die. Trust only family. Seventy five years of one party rule and now two elections of Norte
types in office. Not much time for a learning curve. I sincerly wonder if the police and military are outgunned in this current situation where the
population does not dare to confront the perps?
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Freebird
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| Quote: | | Does the phrase Ne Modo have the same meaning in Argentina? Does that concept underly thinking there? |
Nope, thereīs no similar phrase in Argentina  ni modo (no way).
I love Mexico but...
Many people in Mexico would like to be a narco (not all of them, of course). They love narco corridos (narco music), narco living... to be poor and to
live in the north of Mexico is a great temptation of easy money. Is not easy some order in a corrupted society.
| Quote: | | .....I sincerly wonder if the police and military are outgunned in this current situation where the population does not dare to confront the perps?
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right. Security forces are outgunned but they also are part of the problem Corruption and infiltration from the narco is nothing new
but it seems nobody cares. 
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I am not Argentine by birth but I lived there for many years (Tucuman/Buenos Aires) and my son still lives there, working as an attorney in Buenos
Aires. When "mi pais de los Gauchos y Gardel" went throught the last economic crisis, it was not all "civil", believe me. Ask any "porteņo" what life
was like in the city fronting el Rio del La Plata during that time period and they will tell you some stories. I was however amazed and in awe of how
those resourceful people with a "never say die" attitude found ways to invent their own economy when the government lost control of the currency.
Someone needs to make a movie based on the story of how they somehow survived and prospered.
That having been said, I miss spending time in San Telmo, Palermo and going to see my favorite team, "Los Millonarios" - River Plate on Sunday. If you
haven't been inside the stadium during a match of River Plate - Boca Juniors, then you could never appreciate what a spectacular event soccer can
truly be.
They converted this dumb old Gringo 30+ years ago...
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Woooosh
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I have been to Buenos Aires twice since the economic collapse and the people still talk in whispers about their government. They are tough yet
refined- it must be their european social roots (at least for the portenos). There's no trust or love for sure for the government and the current
soybean crisis will test them again. The Mexican people are different because Mexico is young. Mexico can't afford eight years of stupid like george
bush gave the USA.
Given the short term of the Nortenos ruling in Mexico- are the Mexican people waiting to see who the winning side will be (narcos or corrupt gov't)
before they give their support? Did we learn anything from Hank Rohn being elected mayor of TJ but denied the governorship? (Now he's only a casino
owner and private zookeeper) What is it that the mexican peolpe want for their government and country?
[Edited on 6-12-2008 by Woooosh]
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Well, I'm like Fulano in that my wife is from Mexico and has a large family here and also south in Jalisco. I use to travel to Mexicali about 25
times a year on business as well as Ensenada, driving between the two through Tecate. My wife and I use to spend time in Rosarito and Ensenada, as
well.
Since retiring and with everything we've read, heard and been told about Baja since, we really don't have a desire to return. The return wait is bad
enough (I hate waiting in any line.) but I've traveled enough in my career (about 250,000 miles a year) to know when enough is enough and don't push
the luck button too often. Once in a great while it won't work and no "EASY" button is available. I love Mexico, the country, the people, the
history. But until the day they get things changed for the betterment of the people, Mexico and Mexicans in general will suffer at the hands of those
they fear......their govt. and ours, the police, authority in general, drug cartels, young hoods, etc.
It'll take many decades before things start to happen, in my humble opinion. "It is what it is"........unfortunately.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sloopy
It'll take many decades before things start to happen, in my humble opinion. "It is what it is"........unfortunately. |
Maybe I'm expecting too much grass roots change from Mexicans. I guess the reality is the Mexicans in the USA figured out nothing was going to change
in their lifetimes and headed north for a better lifer for their families and grandchildren. There is nothing in their history that encourages them
to fight. The Spanish wiped the true Mexicans out and replaced their values with aggression and greed a century ago.
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