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Lee
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Ignorance know's no boundaries
| Quote: | Originally posted by longlegsinlapaz
...restaurant in La Paz that's served my friends turtle soup every time they've asked for it.: |
"Friends?"
Guess if I had a friend who was eating turtle soup they'd be an ex-friend. I don't hang with anyone more ignorant than me.
Eating turtles (don't care if it's a fricking delicacy in MX) is ignorance. Happy to say that LOUD. Fricking marooons.
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Cypress
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Sharksbaja, Yea.  Turtles, fresh or salt, are no longer on my grocery
list. 
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Pescador
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Lee
"Friends?"
Guess if I had a friend who was eating turtle soup they'd be an ex-friend. I don't hang with anyone more ignorant than me.
Eating turtles (don't care if it's a fricking delicacy in MX) is ignorance. Happy to say that LOUD. Fricking marooons.
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Only those of us who live in Colorado and understand the mindset present in "The People's Republic of Boulder" can appreciate the shallowness of your
knowledge and the lack of wisdom exhibited by your comments. I find it hard to believe that you would continue to live in and support a country like
Mexico that keeps spawning "frickin marooons". I am sure the "frickin marooons" find your attitude to be consistent with what they have come to
expect from a "frickin Ugly American". If you choose to live in Mexico, you may decide it is right for you to not eat turtle or support the killing
of turtle in any way, but for you to step over the boundary and classify the mexicans who choose to do that as ignorant and label them as frickin
marooons is racist and demeaning. I personally do not support the taking of turtles and would not eat turtle as a matter of conscience, but I find
your scathing attack to be completely out of touch and judgemental.
[Edited on 6-23-2008 by Pescador]
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gringorio
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Sea turtle soup
I agree - it is a sad thing that it still happens:
http://www.bajatrekker.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=527
greg
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Von
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DAM! THOSE ARE GRUESOME PICTURES!
THAT SUCKS WE HUMANS KILL EVERYTHING EVENTUALLY!
READY SET.....................
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baitcast
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What kind of talk is that?"Fricking marooons" "Ignorance knows no boundaries"
Good lord fella you need a nap,perhaps a valium will help or a big deep breath,try something /Rob
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by baitcast
What kind of talk is that?"Fricking marooons" "Ignorance knows no boundaries"
Good lord fella you need a nap,perhaps a valium will help or a big deep breath,try something /Rob |
only marooons would eat a turtle after having heard about efforts to save turtles from decimation -- anybody who defends turtle poachers is no better
than someone who would defend Robert Mugabe.
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bancoduo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
anybody who defends turtle poachers is no better than someone who would defend Robert Mugabe. |
RACIST
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Ken Bondy
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I have never fully understood the Mexican fascination, almost obsession, with sea turtles. About 22 years ago my daughter Coleen and I were diving at
Isla Partida on the wonderful old liveaboard dive boat Baja Explorador. We were on a rocky wall at about 60 feet when we saw a green sea turtle which
appeared to be resting on a ledge. As we approached closely we realized that the turtle was dead. It had become wedged into the rocks and was unable
to free itself before drowning.
When we got back to the boat, which was anchored across the channel at Los Islotes, we told the crew about the turtle. They became very excited and
got us to spot the turtle's location as precisely as we could. After the day's work was done, all divers back on board, four of the crew headed over
to Partida to find the turtle. Amazingly, they did. They dislodged it, loaded it on their panga, brought it back to the Explorador, butchered and
barbecued it on the small beach at Los Islotes, and had a helluva fiesta. It seemed like an awful lot of effort, especially since there were fresh
wahoo and yellowfin tuna on board.
Here are some photos I made when Coleen and I found the turtle. Apologies for the quality, it was a LONG time ago and I have learned much in the last
22 years 
Wedged into the rocks:
Coleen gently touches the dead turtle's head:
[Edited on 6-23-2008 by Ken Bondy]
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UnoMas
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Yes I too know local people on the East Cape who still eat Turtle, and have been invited to partake in the meal which is like an honor to included,
but have alway's been unable to attend. I am just a visiter here and this is their culture and Country, not about to start telling them how to live
like the fortunate from the North. 
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Ken Bondy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by UnoMas
I am just a visiter here and this is their culture and Country, not about to start telling them how to live like the fortunate from the North. |
I don't fully understand that UnoMas. It is my understanding that taking sea turtle is illegal in Mexico, so on the subject of sea turtles it is
their own government who is "telling them how to live".
[Edited on 6-23-2008 by Ken Bondy]
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ELINVESTIG8R
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It is positively nightmarish how Caguamas are slaughtered while still alive. It is inhuman as far as I am concerned.
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Monia
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There are organizations like:
todostortugueros.org
that are ran by mexicans in their country that are addressing this issue.
May no animals be harmed in the making of this film.
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shari
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Gee Lee, good thing you don't live in a small village on the coast or you'd have NO friggin friends at all! It's against the law to drive with a beer
too etc.etc ad nauseum...the first caguama I tried was one a boat had hit and killed...fed about 25 very happy people. While I'm an endangered species
hugger...I respect cultural food gathering for the families.
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
Gee Lee, good thing you don't live in a small village on the coast or you'd have NO friggin friends at all! It's against the law to drive with a beer
too etc.etc ad nauseum...the first caguama I tried was one a boat had hit and killed...fed about 25 very happy people. While I'm an endangered species
hugger...I respect cultural food gathering for the families. |
We guess it is a matter of picking and choosing which laws one wants to follow and picking and choosing which endangered species to support.
Rhinos and Tigers are almost extinct, but maybe we should respect and accept their demise because of some Asian cultural tradtitions.
Well, tonight we are having a condor egg omlett for dinner---one egg will be enough --- don't want to deplete the condor egg supply. 
Diane and John
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oxxo
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I will be volunteering with the Sea Turtle Hatching Project again this year, run by local Mexicans. The Mexicans I hang with think that killing and
eating sea turtles under the present circumstances is not only illegal but also barbaric.
If sea turtles were as prolific as cows, pigs, and chickens, I would have no problem with eating them. Unfortunately, they aren't.
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Sharksbaja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jdtrotter
| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
Gee Lee, good thing you don't live in a small village on the coast or you'd have NO friggin friends at all! It's against the law to drive with a beer
too etc.etc ad nauseum...the first caguama I tried was one a boat had hit and killed...fed about 25 very happy people. While I'm an endangered species
hugger...I respect cultural food gathering for the families. |
We guess it is a matter of picking and choosing which laws one wants to follow and picking and choosing which endangered species to support.
Rhinos and Tigers are almost extinct, but maybe we should respect and accept their demise because of some Asian cultural tradtitions.
Well, tonight we are having a condor egg omlett for dinner---one egg will be enough --- don't want to deplete the condor egg supply.
Diane and John |
Well put! Isn't it sooooo sad that that mindset persists. You wouldn't want to offend people enjoying cultural traditions regardless of the toll it
exacts collectively. Very selffish behavior.
Shari, some of those families are,well, very extended.
Anyone for sharkfin soup?? 
[Edited on 6-23-2008 by Sharksbaja]
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
Gee Lee, good thing you don't live in a small village on the coast or you'd have NO friggin friends at all! It's against the law to drive with a beer
too etc.etc ad nauseum...the first caguama I tried was one a boat had hit and killed...fed about 25 very happy people. While I'm an endangered species
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Shari,
Think global, act local.
Really, there is no excuse for drinking and driving, and harvesting/eating endangered species. Tradition will never make either activity "correct."
Drinking and driving has led to many deaths and maimings, rural drinking and driving is really not any different than urban drinking and driving.
Traditional hunting of endangered species has caused many species to go extinct. Problem with encouraging one small group to harvest endangered
species is that then all groups feel justified in eating endangered species.
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Cypress
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Regarding the boat killed turtle. It's dead, why waste it?  Road kill on the high
seas!
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ElFaro
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Who is saying that sea turtles are endangered ? The endangered sea turtle mantra has been around now for 40+ years. I've heard that people in some
parts of the Hawaiian Isl. don't swim/dive in the water because there are alot of sharks in the water due to so many sea turtles the sharkes are
feeding on. Anyone know if that's true?
I've always heard for the past 40+ years that of the sea turtles that hatch only 1% survive to adulthood. Never seen any hard scientific data to back
that up...ever!! But eco-scientists have continued to repeat that until people believe it!! I think it is alot of garbage.
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