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1956 while stationed in Subic Bay I witnessed my fellow sailors eating those damn things after a dozen or so beers crazy guys been over there to long
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Lee
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I've been to Subic too. Never wanted to be in the same room where these things were being eaten. Thankfully, MX don't eat this stuff.
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Ken Bondy
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Much better like this:
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ELINVESTIG8R
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Ken I agree!
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windgrrl
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Bondy
Much better like this:
Totally transcendant, Ken. Thank you for sharing this beauty. |
When the way comes to an end, then change. Having changed, you pass through.
~ I-Ching
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Russ
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I was asked twice yesterday if I wanted to buy live turtle. I was told that the fisherman were taking a lot of them and that the seiners were taking a
lot more so that Mulege was loaded with turtle. Very sad. Maybe some of the turtle people will go after the seiners to protect turtles. Nothing is
being done to keep them out of the Bahia Concepcion at night for the last few weeks. The beaches here stink of rotting fish discarded by the seiners
and I still haven't found any one that will address this problem. 
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bajajudy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Lee
I've been to Subic too. Never wanted to be in the same room where these things were being eaten. Thankfully, MX don't eat this stuff.
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Ate one of those in Manila on a bet.
The eyeball was weird.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ELINVESTI8
Humane Society International: Methods used to capture and kill sea turtles generally cause stress and suffering, as they are usually
captured live, stored on their backs in the direct sun without food or water, and slaughtered by cutting open the shell while the animals are still
conscious.
 This does not look like it was killed humanely.
One day, many years ago while hunting in the foothills of Big Bear California I shot a three point mule deer from almost 1000 yards. It was the best
shot I ever had. It took me and my friend a couple of hours to hike over to where it had fallen. When we finally arrived, we found him lying helpless
on the ground where he fell. I had shot him in a hindquarter and broke a large bone rendering him helpless. He was bleeding and his moans and grunts
were very loud and haunting. I can only imagine the pain he was in. The deer raised his head a little and looked up at me with what appeared to be
tears running down both sides of his face. He was looking directly at me and I remember his eyes were asking me why. I will never forget the guilt I
felt for having cause him so much pain. My friend had to put him out of his misery because I couldn’t as I was wiping the tears from my eyes from the
heartache I felt for having caused so much pain to a poor animal. I did take him home and ate him but never again did I ever shoot another animal. I
was an avid hunter of just about everything and that one day changed my hunting life forever.
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Wow!!! An almost 1000 yard shot!!! Are you a Marine sniper with a .50 cal.? What did you do it with - a 30-06 or 7mm mag? Very impressive! Almost
unbelievable.....
Anyway, I agree that no animal should be made to suffer. I think that sea turtles are beautiful creatures and they are awesome to dive with. However,
I did once have turtle steak in Mulege back when it was legal - I think it was 1982... Like anything else, if endangered - protect it until the
numbers come back.....
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ELINVESTIG8R
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Pacifico
Wow!!! An almost 1000 yard shot!!! Are you a Marine sniper with a .50 cal.? What did you do it with - a 30-06 or 7mm mag? Very impressive! Almost
unbelievable.....
Anyway, I agree that no animal should be made to suffer. I think that sea turtles are beautiful creatures and they are awesome to dive with. However,
I did once have turtle steak in Mulege back when it was legal - I think it was 1982... Like anything else, if endangered - protect it until the
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Pacifico had I not been there it would be hard for me to believe. I was always a consistent high shooter on the rifle range and that day was just a
very lucky shot. What I did not mention is that the only profile I had of the deer was its hindquarters. The shot was made with a .30-06 rifle. I am
almost too ashamed of myself to write this information. I was no hunting hero that day.
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Elinvest18:
I had the experience of hearing captured Turtles Crying during the Night.--No more Turtle Soup for me.
Also went on a Hunting trip to Crocker Ridge on Hwy 120 going into Yosemite. Late storm drove the Deer out of the Park as I drove along I counted 105
Bloody spots in the Snow where other Hunters killed in one Day--No more Hunting for me.
However I did kill a deer that had been hit by a Car and Crippled. Just took my Pistol and put it out of its Misery.
We , as Humans have to make our on Judgements about Killing.
Excerise your own free will and Accord and prepare to take the Consequences {SP}
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Elinvest18:
I had the experience of hearing captured Turtles Crying during the Night.--No more Turtle Soup for me.
Also went on a Hunting trip to Crocker Ridge on Hwy 120 going into Yosemite. Late storm drove the Deer out of the Park as I drove along I counted 105
Bloody spots in the Snow where other Hunters killed in one Day--No more Hunting for me.
However I did kill a deer that had been hit by a Car and Crippled. Just took my Pistol and put it out of its Misery.
We , as Humans have to make our on Judgements about Killing.
Excerise your own free will and Accord and prepare to take the Consequences {SP}
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Skeet I could not agree with you more.
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Russ
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I agree with not ordering turtle. But what if a friend invites you for a meal and turtle is served? I absolutely discourage taking or molesting the
nesting (?) areas. But even friends that know my position on this will on rear occasions serve me tortuga. I'm neither so "green" or rude to refuse
the meal. And I'm a little sadden to admit I truly enjoy it. And it doesn't taste like chicken in any way shape or form.
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Russ that is certainly a dilemma not easily remedied. Personally would tell them I am allergic to any form of turtle and leave it at that. Most will
understand and not force it on you. Don’t get me wrong I have eaten sea turtle before and liked the taste. Just after seeing that poor turtle in San
Felipe being cut out of its shell alive while it was screaming just did something to me and I refuse to cooperate any further in the torture of sea
turtles by eating any.
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Sharksbaja
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Russ, that really sucks. Now. I wonder why our friend down in San Bruno got such an immediate and reactive response by the immigration folks there in
Sta. Rosalia. Is not the Navy the enforcing power for the commercial seiners.
The Navy was around there not to long ago because of the plane theft. Did you happen to notice any seiners around or in the BOC during their visit.
My point is that it's obvious certain govt agencies read and monitor certain sites and forums. I'm curious to know how they would discover
information pertinent to enforcing the law. Do they utilize Google to sift thru the volumes of stuff? Or perhaps leisurely sit and surf forums and
websites all day.
I wonder if the Navy deals with complaints the same way immigration does?? Do they even have a reporting site for poachers??
I think that in Mexico like in the U.S. the proverbial squeaky wheel gets the grease.
I would hope you as well as others could gather some vital information and share it on the web. That way you could have it hopefully intercepted by
authorities so they can do the right thing.
Any chance of that?
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oxxo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Russ
But even friends that know my position on this will on rear occasions serve me tortuga. I'm neither so "green" or rude to refuse the meal.
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What's wrong with being rude to a poacher? You wouldn't want to be rude to the guy selling crack on your street corner? I don't get it.
Zorrolee, where are you when we need you?
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oxxo
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Russ that is certainly a dilemma not easily remedied. |
Yes, it is easily remedied. JUST SAY NO! Show some character and courage.
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The killing of turtles is just the tip of the ice burg.
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Russ
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oxxo ... That's easy for you to say! Have you been there? One of these friends I respect as much as any of the handful of good friends I'm lucky
enough to have. I'm in his country and would never consider offending his culture or honor. The question I asked was, " But what if a friend invites
you for a meal and turtle is served?" Notice the "you"?
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oxxo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Russ
oxxo ... That's easy for you to say! |
Yes it easy for me to say. I just say "NO" when it comes to doing something I know is wrong and I have done it.
| Quote: | | Have you been there? |
Yes I have been in those types of situations.
| Quote: | | One of these friends I respect as much as any of the handful of good friends I'm lucky enough to have. I'm in his country and would never consider
offending his culture or honor. |
He deserves no respect. If he is cheating on this, he is probably cheating on other things. He is a self centered "taker."
| Quote: | | The question I asked was, " But what if a friend invites you for a meal and turtle is served?" Notice the "you"? |
I would say, "No way, Jose. " I would go on to say that I volunteer in the Turtle Hatchling Program to get the Sea Turtle populations back to
sustainable levels so that everyone could eat turtle if they wish. I would invite him to come and volunteer with me. We would then see how much
character your friend has.
Read this article about how attitudes can be changed: http://www.bajainsider.com/environment/teachersavingturtles....
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