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woody with a view
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Alex
i don't mean to be personal, specifically, but if you wanna give away every benefit you/i have as a gringo to anyone who can grab a hold, i don't
think i can explain it so you'll get my point.
how many silver spoons ya got?
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Alex
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who says you are being forced to give away any of your benefits
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woody with a view
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i have no response. probably a good thing, too!
good night!
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lizard lips
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Alex, your getting into a subject that is a little away from this particular one but I respect what you said in your posts. I don't see a end to any
of it but we must have common ground here. How are we going to do this? I wish I knew. I believe the US Govt. doesn't have a clue what takes place
along the border and they place all of the problems under the rug and try and forget about it. We could go on and on with the border and immigration
but I live by the letter of the law here in Mexico as well as the US and by doing this I have never had a problem.
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It would seem logical that the more people who sneak across the border via remote desert routes would result in fewer people trying to cross at
official border entries. I'd say that a way to speed up the border crossing times would be to require that every passport holder to receive a
sub-dermal microchip and to scan each person crossing the border much like a grocery item. Each border agent should get two lower ranked helpers who
would scan the driver and passenger's arms as they are held out each car window. With such a system, each passenger inspection should take seconds
thus decreasing the time spent per vehicle. These scanners would be also used to take weekly attendance in the students' home room classes ensuring
proper residency and immigration status of all students. The chip could also be used as a debit device for paying the 20 or so dollars going from the
U.S. to Mexico.
As far as the schools enforcing any immigration laws - forget it. It is fact that California public school staff is prohibited from forwarding any
known information regarding immigration transgressions by the students or their families. Counter to this is that school staff is required to forward
any information of evidence that a student may have a deadbeat father. The real truth, and forgive me for taking a George Carlin tone, is that those
in charge - those really in charge - do not want any meaningful action against illegal immigration due to exploitation opportunities. It would be
foolhardy to expect anything more than token action by any public officials.
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Alex
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Packoderm
The real truth, and forgive me for taking a George Carlin tone, is that those in charge - those really in charge - do not want any meaningful action
against illegal immigration due to exploitation opportunities. It would be foolhardy to expect anything more than token action by any public
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thank you
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Speaking of Illegals
The Hot News still being thrashed about up here in San Bernardino County is the fact that San Francisco and its Mayor Gavin Nutcase have been shipping
us some of their "Known" illegal alien minors (in violation of Federal Law) to avoid having them deported. Once here, they have disappeared.
Goofy Gavin has said that the practice is now discontinued (because they got caught) and he'll go back to having a Gay time and the important business
of performing as many Homosexual weddings as possible before November.
Although County officials have demanded the Feds take action and have said they intend to press a case against Nutjob, don't expect anything to
happen. As already said, the officials just don't care.
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Alex
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http://tijuanatales.wordpress.com/2008/05/19/deported-in-tij...
Is San Bernadino the next best thing to Tijuas?
"Most of them look bewildered and scared. They group together near the border fence and go through the contents of the bag — so far, what I’ve seen
are shoelaces, belts and bottled water — then they eventually wander off into the wild that is Tijuana.
A few of the deportees ask passersby for money so they can call their families on the nearby public phones. Others likely have no way of contacting
their family members. I can’t even imagine being in that situation. No wonder Tijuana has so many problems. The deportees have no food, no shelter
–they have nothing but the clothes on their backs. If I were in that situation, I’d do whatever it took to get food and shelter. Steeling and
panhandling comes to mind.
There has simply got to be a better way."
Hmm dropped off with a paper bag
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woody with a view
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what's yer solution?
wait let me get comfortable.......okay, i'm ready now!
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805gregg
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Just give them all ss# and tax them.
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Goat Quote: with rabid anti-imigrant bias and racism, it is nice to think that maybe one group is thinking about human and constitutional rights...
one only hopes. (end quote)
Here we go again, name calling and calling illegals immigrants. If they have arrived legally, no problem, but illegal is illegal and the open border
philosophy will lead to the destruction of this country. When a high percentage of students cannot speak English what does that tell you.
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------hopefully most of us can admit that it is a complicated subject, and we are mainly only talking about schools and border crossing times in this
particular thread-------the actual problem is, of course, much larger.
As I have said many times on this board, the solution is "RULE OF LAW" folks----------enforce the law-------on both sides of the
border------------THAT is the solution, IMO, and probably the ONLY solution.
The result almost always of NOT enforcing the law is chaos!!!!
Barry
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
------hopefully most of us can admit that it is a complicated subject, and we are mainly only talking about schools and border crossing times in this
particular thread-------the actual problem is, of course, much larger.
As I have said many times on this board, the solution is "RULE OF LAW" folks----------enforce the law-------on both sides of the
border------------THAT is the solution, IMO, and probably the ONLY solution.
The result almost always of NOT enforcing the law is chaos!!!!
Barry |
Would that include attaching the bank accounts and possibly jailing the employers that didn't pay the SS payments and deduct and transmit income
taxes?
No Bad Days
\"Never argue with an idiot. People watching may not be able to tell the difference\"
\"The trouble with doing nothing is - how do I know when I\'m done?\"
Nomad Baja Interactive map
And in the San Felipe area - check out Valle Chico area |
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Barry A.
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Lou--------Yes!!!!! Absolutely!!!!!!
Barry
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Just about like drugs, eliminate the demand - drug users/employers and there is no need for drug smugglers/illegal workers.
No Bad Days
\"Never argue with an idiot. People watching may not be able to tell the difference\"
\"The trouble with doing nothing is - how do I know when I\'m done?\"
Nomad Baja Interactive map
And in the San Felipe area - check out Valle Chico area |
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awfulart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajalou
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
------hopefully most of us can admit that it is a complicated subject, and we are mainly only talking about schools and border crossing times in this
particular thread-------the actual problem is, of course, much larger.
As I have said many times on this board, the solution is "RULE OF LAW" folks----------enforce the law-------on both sides of the
border------------THAT is the solution, IMO, and probably the ONLY solution.
Right on! Look at how chaotic Mexico is legally.. No such thing as the "Rule of Law"
The result almost always of NOT enforcing the law is chaos!!!!
Barry |
Would that include attaching the bank accounts and possibly jailing the employers that didn't pay the SS payments and deduct and transmit income
taxes? |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
------hopefully most of us can admit that it is a complicated subject, and we are mainly only talking about schools and border crossing times in this
particular thread-------the actual problem is, of course, much larger.
As I have said many times on this board, the solution is "RULE OF LAW" folks----------enforce the law-------on both sides of the
border------------THAT is the solution, IMO, and probably the ONLY solution.
The result almost always of NOT enforcing the law is
chaos!!!!
Right on! Look at Mexico. Mexico's legal system seems to be in chaos. Don't get in a legal despute with some one well connected or someone with
mucho dinero.
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I must jump in here. Everytime mexicans are the talk to some or most here, it's something bad and I have to forgive you because you just talk
generalizing. I wont call you all ignorant but the fact is that you ignore many things. I attended college in San Diego and along with me several,
many other Tijuana residents and it was Southwestern College. What you people that are generalizing ignore is that we paid foreign student tuition,
yes we paid to attend and it was a lot of money, we never got it free or took advantage of "your system" and I'm very proud of it. Later I went on to
travel school and also paid tuition, so what if I had mexican plates, what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? As for mexicans going
across every day to take advantage of education there are some but they get caught eventualy by CBP if not by the school. Many people that live in
border towns and look mexican and talk spanish and drive cars with mexican plates are US citizens, did you ever think about that? And don't get me
started on beeing born in the US having taken advantage of "Your System" I paid when my kids were born. As for the levels of education, talking k-12,
I would never allow my children to attend school in the South Bay area of San Diego, not if they have an opportunity to attend better schools in
Tijuana, ones with much higher academic levels, are taught values and all wear uniforms.
And is Tijuana safe, yes, very safe, I have my wife and kids here
A well informed Baja California traveler is a smart Baja California traveler!
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Barry A.
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Some VERY GOOD POINTS, Ferna. Thank God you are on this board to keep us closer to reality, and give us the "rest of the story".
Barry
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fdt
I must jump in here. Everytime mexicans are the talk to some or most here, it's something bad and I have to forgive you because you just talk
generalizing. I wont call you all ignorant but the fact is that you ignore many things. I attended college in San Diego and along with me several,
many other Tijuana residents and it was Southwestern College. What you people that are generalizing ignore is that we paid foreign student tuition,
yes we paid to attend and it was a lot of money, we never got it free or took advantage of "your system" and I'm very proud of it. Later I went on to
travel school and also paid tuition, so what if I had mexican plates, what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? As for mexicans going
across every day to take advantage of education there are some but they get caught eventualy by CBP if not by the school. Many people that live in
border towns and look mexican and talk spanish and drive cars with mexican plates are US citizens, did you ever think about that? And don't get me
started on beeing born in the US having taken advantage of "Your System" I paid when my kids were born. As for the levels of education, talking k-12,
I would never allow my children to attend school in the South Bay area of San Diego, not if they have an opportunity to attend better schools in
Tijuana, ones with much higher academic levels, are taught values and all wear uniforms.
And is Tijuana safe, yes, very safe, I have my wife and kids here |
FDT,
When I mentioned that a lot of children use the public school system in San Diego I was expressing exactly what I saw, nothing more---nothing less. I
did not mention those of you that were educated and paid for college in the US and this was offered to you and you enjoyed this LEGALLY. This isn't
only my SYSTEM it is yours also and you used it and paid for it LEGALLY. I for one am glad you went to college in San Diego.
You know quite well the direction of my post. I stated that there were a lot of Baja plated vehicles that were dropping off children and that could
have been one of the reasons for the delay at certain times of the day at the border. Yes, the drivers of these vehicles could very well have been US
citizens. I don't care if you were driving a Baja plated vehicle when you went to your college or travel school but I was concerned about those
neighbors of yours that make the drive every day (Mexican Citizens) to take their children to public schools in the US and they, and the Mexican Govt.
do not pay for it nor do they get "caught eventually". Now I know that you are not ignorant but I am 100% positive you know what I am talking about
however your response was what I thought I would get from someone living in TJ. Your always being picked on, right? You try and dodge and make excuses
for existing problems that will never be resolved.
Please, please tell me what you would think if the public school system in Tijuana was offering free lunches, English speaking teachers for those
ILLEGAL American kids that were crossing the border every day, can't speak Spanish and it was necessary to pay extra for bi-lingual teachers, and the
class rooms were over capacity and the teachers could not provide a more one-on-one with the students that needed it, and you being a Mexican citizen
were paying for it?
The statement you made about every time Mexicans are mentioned it is something bad? Where in the world did that come from?
I have paid for my son to go to school here in Mexico (he is a Mexican citizen), pay for my FM2 every year, and live LEGALLY.
The only thing you got right out of your entire tired post was the fact that children k through 12 in school here in Mexico do receive an excellent
education. My son is in the tenth grade now, wears a uniform and I think is properly educated but I pay $250.00 per month for this to happen. I will
not send him to a public school full of cholos...
Oh, I am a US citizen and drive a Baja plated car.
You and everyone in Mexico is not being picked on----It's just that you DON'T GET IT AND NEVER WILL MY FRIEND.....
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