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Eugenio
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Very well-stated Bajagringo.
At the risk of sounding uncivil: it's sad when people with real life experience in Mexico are driven out by folks who are just plain nasty.
ferna should be considered a treasure for this board.
I hope he's willing to continue.
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shari
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Registered: 3-10-2006
Location: bahia asuncion, baja sur
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Mood: there is no reality except the one contained within us "Herman Hesse"
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I have been hearing comments and discussions about the bombardment of negative news posts of late..many have just not tuned in here...many are tired
of it...granted it is good to be informed but I feel it is overkill.
While I don't mind being informed of pertanent new of baja from legitimate sources, I DO mind when the fulana belittles our nomad brothers and sister
and resorts to nasty name calling and insults. keep it civil please.
I just don't understand her agenda and countless "scare" posts must have an effect on new lurkers and may keep some future baja lovers from
discovering this lovely place....really a shame.
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Barry A.
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Registered: 11-30-2003
Location: Redding, Northern CA
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Tho I appreciated the informative posts of Fulano, I DO NOT appreciate the nasty comments he has made about several of our Nomads---------that is
un-called for, as Shari and others have stated.
In fact, nasty comments towards anybody, IMO, is un-called for and is counterproductive to any discussion. We all get miffed from time to time, but
that is really no excuse.
What IS important is our interest and love for Baja CA, and all who share that. Seems like folks with these same interests and love could at least be
CIVIL to each other.
Barry
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fulano
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Location: Ramona, CA
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A statement in defense
I would like to say something in my defense. I want to call to everybody's attention on this message board that I am not the person who started the
name calling. It was the dear, dear Nomad who you are defending who started it. As proof of that, below are his posts with the insult [which, by the
way, is a violation of the "Board Rules" set up by the owner of this website]:
| Quote: | fdt 7-13-2008 at 04:58 AM
This is a first hand report from a Nomad not a full ano report.
fdt 7-13-2008 at 08:11 PM
If you are refering to me full ano, you got it right.
fdt 7-13-2008 at 09:11 PM
Ok full ano it does say that
fdt 7-13-2008 at 09:51 PM
Your really Full Ano
rts551 7-14-2008 at 10:03 PM
As ignorant as Ful Ano is (must have had a bad childhood), maybe it will keep the RifRaf out of baja and the hotels in Asuncion!
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I am going to give you all the chance of a lifetime. I hereby DARE anybody who is so concerned about my "nasty" comments to go back and find any
comments of mine to either fdt or rts551 which have any vulgarities aimed at these two people, and which PRECEDE the timestamps. Go
ahead. I DOUBLE-DARE you. Let's see if we can figure out who drew first blood here.
If anybody here can find a post of mine which precedes the timestamp of the posts of either fdt or rts551 that contains a vulgarity
directed to either of them, I will voluntarily leave this board and never return.
What really happened is that some Nomad came on and said I was being "nasty" and a whole bunch of others just piled on. They did so without even
taking the time to find out if the statement was truthful.
My observation from being here a few months, is that there are posters here who have been around for years. They somehow feel they have "founder's
rights" and can flaunt the rules whenever they want. Well, for all I know that may be true. I don't run this board, and I have no idea what Doug's
thoughts are. He has never complained to me about my posts, not publicaly or in a U2U. I have always stived to follow the rules. My posts may be
direct, and I do not pull punches, but I do not toss out gratuitous insults at the drop of a hat, like many others I can see here.
If you go back and actually read my posts that come after the posts cited above with a disinterested eye, you will see they are still civil, but firm
-- even AFTER the insults tossed at me.
p.s. For those who do not understand Spanish ano=anus -- aņo (with the tilde on the n)=year.
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Barry A.
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Registered: 11-30-2003
Location: Redding, Northern CA
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Fulano-------------
--------your defense is missing the bigger point, I think. WHO CARES who threw the "first" insult---------insults are counterproductive, no matter
who did it first. You are bigger than that, I am thinking--------don't screw up now, and get EVERYBODY mad!!! You are "new", and yes, we probably do
cut some slack for the old timers here--------we LOVE our old timers.
As said before, I appreciate your informative posts, and I hope you keep them up------------just don't fall into the trap of responding to the few who
get offended and insult you (which is hard to do, I admit) 
Barry
edited to satisfy the "word smiths" on this board----which proves that a college education, even in the USA, does not necessarily prepare you to use
"perfect spelling"----at least not in my case.  -------but I will stick with
my use of the word "love" when it applies to our "old timers", of which I am one.
Barry
[Edited on 7-15-2008 by Barry A.]
[Edited on 7-16-2008 by Barry A.]
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bajajazz
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Location: La Paz, BCS, Mexico
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"Thru" the first insult? "Love" our oldtimers? Even if their English language skills were arrested at the fourth grade level? I think not.
Returning to the subject of news manipulation, when I lived in Carmel, California, I discovered that to find out what really transpired at meetings of
the city council and the Board of Stupervisors, I couldn't rely on the Monterey Herald which, at the time, was edited by a professional f-up who was
drummed out of respectable journalism for jumping the gun on the release of news of the German surrender, ending the war in the European theater. Ike
was furious, and the bigtime "journalist" was sent packing back to the 'States to the only job he could get, editing a small town Republican rag
instinctively averse to printing the truth about local issues.
So, in order to get the real news, we learned to read the San Jose Mercury, at the time a Knight/Ridder publication whose Monterey county
correspondent wrote the straight, unbiased version of local events, and in that way we residents of Monterey county found out what was really going on
in the conduct of our public business. Mexicans don't have a monopoly on news manipulation, not by a long shot.
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Barry A.
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Registered: 11-30-2003
Location: Redding, Northern CA
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| Quote: | Originally posted by grover
I enjoy reading the stories you post.
The mistake you make is in assuming that nobody can tell the wheat from the chaff, and proceeding to belabor it.
That gets real old; real quick.
Ever heard the real good advice not to feed the trolls? If you can write javascript, do us all a big favor and make them disappear.
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Grover--------to whom is this directed??? Little me????
If so, I do acknowledge that I do "belabor" points, probably ad nausium (sp?).
------but I must say that often I am not intelligent enough (??) to even understand what point you are making, but that is my problem, I suppose.
In any case, I too enjoy your posts, when I can understand them. 
Barry
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tripledigitken
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Registered: 9-27-2006
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Fulano,
I would like to hear your defense of your taking apart Winthy awhile back.
Seems any Nomad doing business in Baja is at risk of assaults from your direction. (Walking tours, Insurance Sales, Real Estate Development, etc.)
Not going to say "double dare you".
Ken
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fulano
Banned
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Registered: 3-31-2008
Location: Ramona, CA
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| Quote: | Originally posted by grover
The mistake you make is in assuming that nobody can tell the wheat from the chaff, and proceeding to belabor it.
No Barry; to the guy giving us the "chance of a lifetime" to [dis?]continue this tiresome crap. |
No Grover, the mistake you make is in assuming that everybody can tell the wheat from the chaff...and then setting out to
"control the message" because you already know it. You know enough html code to figure out how to ignore me if you want to.
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fulano
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tripledigitken
Fulano,
I would like to hear your defense of your taking apart Winthy awhile back. |
Ken, I would like you to explain your thought process that goes behind your concept that I need to somehow "defend" my actions in pointing out to
readers of this board that a person who wants to do business here has a background of known illegal activities.
You are somehow trying to put me on the defense here. I can tell you, quite honestly, I see no reason to defend my actions.
Let me give you an example of why I believe as I do:
Imagine I am standing on a street corner and next to me is a blind man. I see the blind man start to step into the street just as a bus is rapidly
approaching him. I grab the blind man by the back of his coat and forcefully yank him back out of the way just in time to save his life. Do I need to
defend my actions? I obviously grabbed this man and forced him to move in a direction he had not intended. Did I assault him?
Context Ken. Context is everything. So tell me why you think saying "watch out" is wrong?
Oh, and Ken, the only people who have been "assaulted" by me (to use your term) are people who I have caught lying. And even then, you will see that
my response was civil, but stern, and proceded to point out why the post was a lie. Go back and read all my posts, see if you can prove me wrong.
Some people just don't like to be told their baby is ugly.
[Edited on 7-15-2008 by fulano]
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tripledigitken
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fulano
| Quote: | Originally posted by tripledigitken
Fulano,
I would like to hear your defense of your taking apart Winthy awhile back. |
Ken, I would like you to explain your thought process that goes behind your concept that I need to somehow "defend" my actions in pointing out to
readers of this board that a person who wants to do business here has a background of known illegal activities.
You are somehow trying to put me on the defense here. I can tell you, quite honestly, I see no reason to defend my actions.
Let me give you an example of why I believe as I do:
Imagine I am standing on a street corner and next to me is a blind man. I see the blind man start to step into the street just as a bus is rapidly
approaching him. I grab the blind man by the back of his coat and forcefully yank him back out of the way just in time to save his life. Do I need to
defend my actions? I obviously grabbed this man and forced him to move in a direction he had not intended. Did I assault him?
Context Ken. Context is everything. |
So let me get this right, anyones background is subject to your approval for them to do business right?
I can do my own research of people I do business with, and have done so without your help.
You took him apart to the point it was painful to read. Disciplinary action in his case didn't warrant your treatment. It wasn't a life sentence.
When your exchanges get that personal why don't you just use U2U.
Ken
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fulano
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tripledigitken
So let me get this right, anyones background is subject to your approval for them to do business right? |
Did I say that Ken, or did you just say that?
Straw man fallacy:
The straw man fallacy is when you misrepresent someone else's position so that it can be attacked more easily, knock down that misrepresented
position, then conclude that the original position has been demolished. It's a fallacy because it fails to deal with the actual arguments that have
been made
| Quote: | Originally posted by tripledigitken
I can do my own research of people I do business with, and have done so without your help. |
Good point Ken. And I guarantee you I will never even try to help you. Now, that being said, this message board reports it has 4,615 members as of
today. Is it OK if a help a few of them, or do you speak for all 4,614 of the members who are not you?
| Quote: | Originally posted by tripledigitken
When your exchanges get that personal why don't you just use U2U. |
You want me to U2U 4,614 members?
[Edited on 7-15-2008 by fulano]
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palmeto99
Banned
Posts: 292
Registered: 7-15-2008
Location: loreto,BCS and East Coast USA (Spartanburg, SC)
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Mood: Trying to bring the worlds people together one post at a time.
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I have been lurking on this board for years but felt that I had to jump in and post a comment after reading some of these posts.
I have lived in Baja and owned several Mexican companies over the last 13 years there. The biggest problem with a lot of the comments that are
being posted here are that they do not deal with the real problems that someone could encounter in Baja .This is really important since as of last
fall, parts of this region has become dangerous and this should not be glossed over by members of this board who have not traveled throughout these
areas themselves. This board has been a great help to people over the years as a way to gleen information and to contact people in case of
emergency(Hurricane John) and to learn how to travel in a safe manner and to learn about the mexican culture. Fulano has posted some of the most
interesting items and while not all of it is for some of the grizzled veterans that swim below the surface here, it is informative to others. A lot
has happened since last fall and baja might not recover from some of these new challenges that face the government and the people of Mexico. I can
tell you from my own experience that these changes in security for non Mexican subjects has changed the way I travel to Baja and the way I live and do
business while I am there. It is very important to stay on top of events before anyone travels to Baja because as the economy slides in The USA and
Canada, the crime will get worse in Mexico. We have seen the trickle down (or lack of trickledown) economics on the economy of northern Baja and to a
lesser extent further south. As the tourist dollars shrink,the crime rises. When police get paid $80.00 us per week can you understand the temptation
to make a little something on the side. Lets tell the truth about what is happening and report on the crime that might interfere with peoples holiday
and travels. While what is happening in northern Baja
is not happening in Mulege or Scorpion Bay but most people have to run the gauntlet to get to your hamlets.
I like as much info as I can read and will filter out what does not interest me but do not shoot the messenger just because you might have a business
agenda. (a`large number of Nomads are shameless self promoters) This board is a great source of information and entertainment but the attacks on
others take something away from it.
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rts551
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Posts: 6699
Registered: 9-5-2003
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Dangerous for who? I live more than half the year in Baja and do not feel threatened. I have no business just retired and enjoying myself. Lurk on
my friend
| Quote: | Originally posted by palmeto99
I have been lurking on this board for years but felt that I had to jump in and post a comment after reading some of these posts.
I have lived in Baja and owned several Mexican companies over the last 13 years there. The biggest problem with a lot of the comments that are
being posted here are that they do not deal with the real problems that someone could encounter in Baja .This is really important since as of last
fall, parts of this region has become dangerous and this should not be glossed over by members of this board who have not traveled throughout these
areas themselves. This board has been a great help to people over the years as a way to gleen information and to contact people in case of
emergency(Hurricane John) and to learn how to travel in a safe manner and to learn about the mexican culture. Fulano has posted some of the most
interesting items and while not all of it is for some of the grizzled veterans that swim below the surface here, it is informative to others. A lot
has happened since last fall and baja might not recover from some of these new challenges that face the government and the people of Mexico. I can
tell you from my own experience that these changes in security for non Mexican subjects has changed the way I travel to Baja and the way I live and do
business while I am there. It is very important to stay on top of events before anyone travels to Baja because as the economy slides in The USA and
Canada, the crime will get worse in Mexico. We have seen the trickle down (or lack of trickledown) economics on the economy of northern Baja and to a
lesser extent further south. As the tourist dollars shrink,the crime rises. When police get paid $80.00 us per week can you understand the temptation
to make a little something on the side. Lets tell the truth about what is happening and report on the crime that might interfere with peoples holiday
and travels. While what is happening in northern Baja
is not happening in Mulege or Scorpion Bay but most people have to run the gauntlet to get to your hamlets.
I like as much info as I can read and will filter out what does not interest me but do not shoot the messenger just because you might have a business
agenda. (a`large number of Nomads are shameless self promoters) This board is a great source of information and entertainment but the attacks on
others take something away from it. |
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palmeto99
Banned
Posts: 292
Registered: 7-15-2008
Location: loreto,BCS and East Coast USA (Spartanburg, SC)
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Mood: Trying to bring the worlds people together one post at a time.
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I am afraid my days of lurking are over my friend. I intend to watch this board for self serving apologists who continue to post half truths and
attack others for just printing both sides. When I see these posts, I will respond in a polite and informative manner. You can continue to tear up
your little section of Baja on your quad.
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BajaGringo
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 3922
Registered: 8-24-2006
Location: La Chorera
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Mood: Let's have a BBQ!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
A recent headline in the San Diego paper carried the title of something like "Gringos dodging bullets to buy cheap gas in Tijuana".
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For the record, the article ran under the title:
US motorists dodge bullets for cheap Mexican fuel
The article was actually a Reuters story and was carried by many papers across the US, but NOT by the San Diego Union Tribune as I
previously stated. My apologies to the staff, management and stockholders of the San Diego Union Tribune.
So as my wife likes to remind me, I am not perfect...
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rts551
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| Quote: | Originally posted by palmeto99
I am afraid my days of lurking are over my friend. I intend to watch this board for self serving apologists who continue to post half truths and
attack others for just printing both sides. When I see these posts, I will respond in a polite and informative manner. You can continue to tear up
your little section of Baja on your quad. |
How funny. I will. Say hi to the fulano
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shari
Select Nomad
Posts: 13048
Registered: 3-10-2006
Location: bahia asuncion, baja sur
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Mood: there is no reality except the one contained within us "Herman Hesse"
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so ummmm palmeto99...arent we fortunate that you have emerged out of the dark to be a nomad watchdog...oh yeah, welcome...glad you introduced yourself
so nicely....care to tell us something about yourself ? fulano or fulana? Gather you don't like quads....
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palmeto99
Banned
Posts: 292
Registered: 7-15-2008
Location: loreto,BCS and East Coast USA (Spartanburg, SC)
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Mood: Trying to bring the worlds people together one post at a time.
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Why thank you for your warm welcome. As for the quads, I used to have a bunch
of quad riders tearing up the beach in front of my home and did not like the damage they left.
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rts551
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Posts: 6699
Registered: 9-5-2003
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Ahhh you see Shari. Another poster that makes his own facts based on his own unhappy experiences. quote "You can continue to tear up your little
section of Baja on your quad". Yet he doesn't know me what so ever. Could be that I am an old retired guy that uses his quad to explore (not tear
up) baja and has probably seen more on than that quad than they could ever dream of seeing from their couch.
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