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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajajack
At the lastest count in 2007 there was something like 3500 private legally registered firearms in all of mexico. |
This has been done here before and the ideas presented in the past tell of ease of ownership for Mexicans and I can remember long back, a sporting
goods store on Ruiz, across from Hussongs that had a selection of high power rifles on display for sale.
Where are you getting your figures, Jack?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajajack
At the lastest count in 2007 there was something like 3500 private legally registered firearms in all of mexico. |
This has been done here before and the ideas presented in the past tell of ease of ownership for Mexicans and I can remember long back, a sporting
goods store on Ruiz, across from Hussongs that had a selection of high power rifles on display for sale.
Where are you getting your figures, Jack? |
Ministry of Defense, look it up!
And yes you can get the permit easily if you want to pay the price and go through Sedena, the very reason very few mexicans have legal firearms.
No firearm is legal in mexico unless it's cleared through Sedena, look it up!
\"take what you can, give nothing back!\"
We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the
American people.\'
Theodore Roosevelt 1907
We can have no \"50-50\" allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all.
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vacaenbaja
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Boy I do not know of a single time that a police officer had let someone go because the contraband found in the car was "someone elses not mine." I
borrowed the car "etc.
It never goes that way without getting charged with possesion. Those guys got off real easy and someone ( boarder liason et al) must have
pulled some big strings.
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Taco de Baja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vacaenbaja
Boy I do not know of a single time that a police officer had let someone go because the contraband found in the car was "someone elses not mine." I
borrowed the car "etc.
It never goes that way without getting charged with possesion. Those guys got off real easy and someone ( boarder liason et al) must have
pulled some big strings. |
The cops let my stepdaughter off once, she and her boyfriend at the time were smoking pot in a parking lot, around midnight, the cops pulled in to
see what they were doing. Smelled the pot, found the pipe, found a bag of weed....She though she was going to jail. She was polite, and admitted it
was hers. The cops told them to be careful being out so late at night and let them go! She, of course did not tell us about this for several years
after it happened. The cops did not even take the pipe or the weed.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Taco de Baja
| Quote: | Originally posted by vacaenbaja
Boy I do not know of a single time that a police officer had let someone go because the contraband found in the car was "someone elses not mine." I
borrowed the car "etc.
It never goes that way without getting charged with possesion. Those guys got off real easy and someone ( boarder liason et al) must have
pulled some big strings. |
The cops let my stepdaughter off once, she and her boyfriend at the time were smoking pot in a parking lot, around midnight, the cops pulled in to
see what they were doing. Smelled the pot, found the pipe, found a bag of weed....She though she was going to jail. She was polite, and admitted it
was hers. The cops told them to be careful being out so late at night and let them go! She, of course did not tell us about this for several years
after it happened. The cops did not even take the pipe or the weed. |
That's a great story. I guess it didn't happen in Rosarito Beach where the police just resell the pot they take from the kids ten minutes later. I
had a neighbor move back to the states after a policeman offerred to sell her pot.
Mexico no longer charges people for posessing a personal amount of pot. If it's under 28 grams and in one bag- and it's yours, you are OK. If if you
have 28 grams in one bag and 27 little empty bags in your other pocket you will go to jail for distribution. The purpose of the law change was to
free the police to go after more serious crime and drug distributors.
[Edited on 8-8-2008 by Woooosh]
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
The purpose of the law change was to free the police to go after more serious crime and drug distributors.
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Of course it is.
I used to think that, when the underpaid police were screaming for a raise, the city would just put up more stop signs.
Jeezo...My spelling has gone to hell.
[Edited on 8-8-2008 by DENNIS]
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Woooosh
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I'm sure someone here will find it. The link was posted in December after the last elections. The prosecutors won't pursue criminal charges for
personal amounts of pot- I guess it doesn't mean the police won't try scare tactics to shake you down for cash. It is Mexico after all.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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Bajajack
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Remember the law in Mexico
is whatever they say it is at that particular time and place and laws for mexicans vs gringos are not created equal.
The Prosecuters may not Prosecute but does anyone really want to test the system to find out???
\"take what you can, give nothing back!\"
We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the
American people.\'
Theodore Roosevelt 1907
We can have no \"50-50\" allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all.
Theodore Roosevelt
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
I'm sure someone here will find it. The link was posted in December after the last elections. The prosecutors won't pursue criminal charges for
personal amounts of pot- I guess it doesn't mean the police won't try scare tactics to shake you down for cash. It is Mexico after all.
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Exactly. I remember this as one of Vicente Fox's initiatives.
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Bajajack
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The mexican congress
or whatever it is did indeed pass the law decriminalizing small amounts of all illegal drugs.
This was done at the urging of Fox himself.
When word got out the US put the pressure on Fox and he vetoed the whole thing.
\"take what you can, give nothing back!\"
We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the
American people.\'
Theodore Roosevelt 1907
We can have no \"50-50\" allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all.
Theodore Roosevelt
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajajack
or whatever it is did indeed pass the law decriminalizing small amounts of all illegal drugs.
This was done at the urging of Fox himself.
When word got out the US put the pressure on Fox and he vetoed the whole thing. |
And that's a fact, Jack..
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Bajajack
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Yessir, I was
jumpin for joy when they passed that law, then Fox, the friggin traitor he was vetoed it. Just when everybody thought they were gonna be safe he
knocks the wind right outta the sails.
You cant trust no Politicos!
\"take what you can, give nothing back!\"
We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the
American people.\'
Theodore Roosevelt 1907
We can have no \"50-50\" allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all.
Theodore Roosevelt
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Bajafun777
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Well, I know 6,000 rounds sounds like a lot of ammo but I know a number of officers that try to buy this and more. Now, you may ask why and the
reason is simple--- ammo was real hard to find even for agencies due to the war in Iraq especially 9's, 40 cal and 45 cal. Cops also do dumb things
that make you just shake your head sometimes when it comes to how many guns they have to own and ammo they have to have.
I had a friend once that did something just about like this but not so much ammo but it was a case of 45 cal. Now, the worse thing was I did not know
he had it and he had intended to take it out but pulled a double and rushing around like a chicken with his head cut off forgot, yes forgot, to take
it out of the vehicle where he had it in the spare tire covered area. I found out when we were already in Mexico and he was looking for his fins for
the ocean. Needless to say it was nerve racking until we got back into U.S.A. So, can dumb things happen to cops, yes and it doesn't mean they are
dirty right off. By the way I always searched my buddy's vehicle after that when going into Mexico and he got peeed every time but I did not care, my
memory was long and hard on this. I also check and double check my own vehicle to make sure not one single shell casing or a round is inside. My
fear of this is a long hard sweat that makes me never want to be in that situation again. I know a number will say bull$_ _t. Never say never and
tired people in a hurry do dumb things sometimes that have very serious consequences. Such is life "Believe It or Not!!!" Later------ bajafun777
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Why didn't you discard that case of ammo into the ocean ?
You carried it back to the US? Risking imprisonment in a Mexican jail ?
CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
And that's a fact, Jack.. |
OK, Whoosh, you started this. Will you please support your allegation that drug laws have somehow changed in the last couple of years? I'm not
challenging you-- nor supporting you (I have no information either way)-- but I for one would appreciate some third-party verification as to what
you've stated here. Seems important. 
Thanks-- Larry |
I guess I was too busy celebrating that the law was passed to hear that Fox had vetoed it. I do suppose the passage of the law got more attention
than the subsequent veto. My bad. I just got back from Amsterdam where soft drugs (hash and pot) are openly tolerated but harsh penalties are
imposed for other drugs. It works for them- but they are a civilized nation.
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http://www.coffeeshopsiberie.nl/eng/
I think people will be surprised when they visit the website and look at the pics. People drink coffee, play cards and chess, read books, check their
e-mails on the free PC and generally just socialize. The most fun is sittng at the bar and watching Americans come in and squirm sheepishly when
figuring out what to buy.
I've been going to this Coffeeshop for over twenty years. Amsterdam has over 250 coffeeshops- all with different themes (some are artsy, some are
punk, some are hard rock). You see people from 18 to 80, there's no social stigma- and some people actually just have coffee.
I have a photo of the hash/weed menu- but can't seem to shrink it enough to upload it. This is how a civilized country deals with recreational drug
use...
Coffeeshop House Rules (Very interesting is that the new Dutch law prohibits indoor tobacco smoke- not pot smoke. Most Europeans mix their pot with
tobacco, and don't smoke it pure. This is causing the coffeeshops to install ventilated smoking rooms for tobacco while people hitting the bong or
smoking hashish can sit at the bar. Way crazy)
"THE HOUSE RULES are written to provide everyone with a clear understanding of and to prevent misunderstandings that may occur by explaining you the
conduct of business within the boundaries of the Dutch law. Rules are being maintained carefully and strictly to ensure each guest a pleasant stay.
Entrance exclusively for persons of 18 years and older, even not for minors accompanied by an adult.
ID is obligatory for everyone; and should be showed upon our request (as of 01.01.2005 is each citizen of 14 years and older obliged by law to carry a
valid ID at all times).
Only the following ID is accepted: passport, identity card & driver's license. So: not expired, no copies, no elderly cards, no student cards.
When we encounter a fake ID, police is informed immediately; you will not be welcome in our coffeeshop ever again. We like to get a clear view at
your face when you show us your ID (please take off your helmet, cap, sun glasses, etc).
Possession, use and dealing hard drugs and alcohol is strictly prohibited: we will call the police immediately when we identify or suspect such
activities, you are not welcome ever again.
The law allows us buy 5 grams per person per day maximum. You are not allowed to carry more than 5 grams whilst in our coffee shop.
We do not tolerate selling, not in the coffee shop and not in the neighbourhood of the coffee shop. We will take the same action as mentioned in 6.
The Dutch law on tobacco prohibits smoking tobacco in the coffeeshop. Therefore we cannot allow anyone to smoke tobacco products inside.
Selling our products to minors will never be tolerated.
Possession of weapons, whatever kind, is prohibited.
Aggression will never be tolerated.
Discrimination will never be tolerated.
We have the right to refuse customers entrance to the building, terrace and parcel at any point.
Consumptions have to be paid for immediately; a consumption is compulsory; you are not allowed to bring your own.
It is forbidden to use your mobile phone.
Dogs are not allowed inside.
Those who do not park their vehicle in a proper manner will not be served.
We are frequently (24/7) checking up on disturbance and hindrance in the shop and neighbourhood, such as making noise and leaving trash. At
identification we will report the crime to the police."
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Taco de Baja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
Why didn't you discard that case of ammo into the ocean ?
You carried it back to the US? Risking imprisonment in a Mexican jail ?
CaboRon |
Cost for a box of ammo: $25
Cost for a case of ammo: $240
Cost of a week long camping trip to Baja for 2: $400
Cost of the Federalies finding said ammo, that you could have simply buried in the desert: Priceless
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Its possible these two fellows are telling the truth.Most cops that I know will plink a lot of ammo at the range and having that much of it is not a
crime in the USA .I have at least that much in my home in San Diego right now. They also did not have a lot of weapons on their person so it could be
an honest mistake.
I also know people that take down protective vests ,radios and the like to give to the smaller police forces in Baja as they can not afford them in
their small budgets.
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MEXICO UNDER SIEGE: U.S. guns arm Mexican drug cartels
| Quote: | Originally posted by vacaenbaja
If the pricing is true one could make it quite a profitable weekend on just two little guns and enough ammo for a small south of the boarder shootout.
Smuggling? You bet. |
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-guns10-...
SIERRA VISTA, ARIZ. -- High-powered automatic weapons and ammunition are flowing virtually unchecked from border states into Mexico, fueling a war
among drug traffickers, the army and police that has left thousands dead, according to U.S. and Mexican officials.
The munitions are hidden under trucks and stashed in the trunks of cars, or concealed under the clothing of people who brazenly walk across the
international bridges. They are showing up in seizures and in the aftermath of shootouts between the cartels and police in Mexico.
More than 90% of guns seized at the border or after raids and shootings in Mexico have been traced to the United States, according to the U.S. Bureau
of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. Last year, 2,455 weapons traces requested by Mexico showed that guns had been purchased in the United
States, according to the ATF. Texas, Arizona and California accounted for 1,805 of those traced weapons.
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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I guess none would make there way up from the drug terrorists partners in Columbia where gun registration is the norm.
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