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| Quote: | Originally posted by fishbuck
Asuncion is about 500 miles from the border and Brown field is just about right on the border. I'm thinking a little over 3 hours each way. We will
stop on the way in at Ensenada and might be able to go nonstop on the way home to Brown.
Let's go get some yellowtail and have a great adventure! |
You'd better do some more flight planning and study the flight rules for Mexico. A Cherokee 6 does not have the range to make it from Ensenada to
Bahia Asuncion and back to Brown. You will have to stop and refuel at Guerrero Negro when you head north, or else it will get very quiet somewhere
south of Ensenada while heading back. Also, you have to stop at an Airport of Entry in Mexico before crossing the US border. That would be Ensenada,
on your flight path.
Most aircraft rental people won't let you land a rental aircraft on a dirt strip. You'd better check it out with them.
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Mood: there is no reality except the one contained within us "Herman Hesse"
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No fuel in GN...most people go to San Felipe to clear customs...
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fishbuck
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Fuel Capacity: 94 gallons divided by 15 gal/hour or about 6.5 hours. I'm thinking about 300-400 miles from Ensenada at about 150 mph. I haven't
measured it yet but don't worry, I will. I flew into the old DC-3 runway at GN when they still had fuel.
It might be a little less from San Filepe.
I've already got most of the other details covered. Plus I will consult with the flight instructor too. He's an old Baja hand so he knows.
Like I said, I've been there a few times so I know what I'm doing. But thanks for your concern
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"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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fishbuck
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Another thing. I made it non-stop from Brackett Field in Pamona to Loreto in a PA-32R once. I'm pretty sure thats farther than Brown Field to
Asuncion. It took about 4 hours.
And you don't have to clear out through a Mexican Airport of entry. Just on the way in.
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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tsgarcia69
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fishbuck
Another thing. I made it non-stop from Brackett Field in Pamona to Loreto in a PA-32R once. I'm pretty sure thats farther than Brown Field to
Asuncion. It took about 4 hours.
And you don't have to clear out through a Mexican Airport of entry. Just on the way in. |
That's nice. Brackett to Loreto is 589 nm, well within the 750 nm range of a PA-32R. You said you were flying Brown to Ensenada to Bahia Asuncion and
returning non-stop to Brown. That would require a little over 800 nm without refueling. There's no avgas in Bahia Ascuncion. That is outside the
range of a PA-32R. Do you understand the difference?
By the way, are you aware of FAR Part 91.151? When you take off day VFR, you are required to have enough fuel on board to fly to your intended
destination, plus another 1/2-hour's flying time beyond.
And there is a legal requirement when leaving to clear customs in Mexico at an AOE and drop off your paperwork to import the aircraft and pay a
passenger departure tax. Some people don't do it, and get away with it. After all, it is Mexico. But the next poor schnook who comes into Mexico with
the same plane may get into a world of hurt.
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fishbuck
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Well TS, I can see that you really want to go on this trip with me. But since you are already "back seat piloting" me I'm going to have to say no.
I already said I haven't had time to measure out the distance on the WAC chart. I also said we "might" be able to make it non-stop. But if we need to
stop for a sip of fuel to make it all the way home no problem.
This trip is in the concept stage only. Don't worry, I'll sit down with the chart and plotter and measure it out very carefully.
I have about 400 or 500 hours of flying. And even without you holding my hand I have newer run out of fuel yet.
So please stop raining on my little parade here. Because if I don't get some people to help with the expenses of the trip there won't be one. It will
probably cost somewhere around $1000 and maybe a little more. Split 4 ways very reasonable. Split 1 way not to reasonable.
If I go alone I'll be flying my Ford down there again. And as much as I love Asuncion and spending time with Jaun and Shari, I can't jusify driving
there when yellowtail are biting like crazy at my own little fish camp in San Quintin.
But flying down to B. Asuncion would be a fantastic trip.
But you know TS, if you want to measure out the exact distances from Brown to Ensenada and Ensenada to B Asuncion you would save me a few minutes.
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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Fishbuck:
I applaud you on your Dreams! It is great to see people going to Baja for Adventure, trying new ways and creating excitement for those who might not
have a chance to Fly in Baja!!
Good Luck and please read the following Story, get as much time and experience as you can. Might be that you could go down with Capt. Mike for a Test
Trip or if at the right time I would go down with you.
Skeeter - Aviation Accident Investigator 11 years, Member Society of Aviation Investigators 12 Years- Flying into Baja since Oct. 1967. Cessna
172,/cessna 182,/Bonanza a 36/Cessna 172 wuth Lyc. 180 with Constant Speed Prop and my favorite a Cessna 170B aquiring over 2,00 Hours Flying time
mostly in Baja Sur/ From Bishop Calif, San Francisco, and Oakland and FresnoCalif.
Towed Gliders into the Sierra Wave at Bishop for three years using a Super Cub{Pa 18}
PLEASE BUY AND READ A COPY OF 'EXPLORING THE MONSTER' WRITTINBY BOB SYMON AND ROWBOTTOM, it might just save your life and those of your Passengers in
the Future.
In my duties as claims Manager at Associated Aviation Underwriters San Francisco I recovered several Aircraft from Baja and the East Coast Area of the
Sea of Cortez. I have some knowledge of the operation on Flying in Baja.
On one Occasion I departed with my Son in my 170b from Loreto headed for Brown Field. I had a full tank of fuel and usually fueled at Sta Innes.
On departing Loreto I encountered some very strong Head winds so landed at Sta Rosalilla{where two Mexicanos had to come out and hold down the wings
while I taxied in to the Parking area for Tiedown.
Spent the night and dparted toward GN and again encountered Strong Head Winds arriving over Gn and landing an taxied on the Streets to find that all
of GN was out of Fuel{This was the week end the Road Opened
Took off and headed for Sta Innes and low and behold my fuel gauge showed empty over Lake Chapala. Landed on the Strip at the old Ranch and walked
over to the newly opened Road, hitched to Sta Innes where Senorora Josephine gave me fuel , two guys, and a Pick up to return and fuel my Plane.
THE MORAL OF THIS STORY:
Sometimes you can encounter things out of your control , that will change your original Plans. so before you try that 800 mile Trip Please get some
more time with your Instructor!
Added: I investigated many, many Aircraft Accidents and 98% were caused by "Pilot Error".
See the next Post for an example
Skeet/Loreto
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One day while towing gliders at Bishop Airport, Bishop Calif. Elevation 5116 FT, I had just returned and dropped my Tow Line and landed, taxied up to
the Fuel dock when I noticed a Cessna MixMaster_ Push-Pull} starting a Take-off roll on Runway 16, It was ablut 105 Degrees, no Wind, and his rear
Engine was shut down.
As he Lifted off he got about 100 Ft when he stalled and hit the Runway, I grabbed the fuel truck and got to the Aircraft where I discovered the Nose
section completly torn off, with the Pilot setting in his Seat with no shoes on his feet.
As I checked his Pulse, he Died!
I received the claim and completed it for the Insurance Company, finding that the Pilot had only about 75 Hours Flying time Total, no time at Hi
Altutude!
He had left his two passengers at the Fuel Office while he decide to make an "Air=Start} on the Rear Engine.
Bad Judgement!
I also investiged 3 Accidents of Aircraft Wrecks in Christmas Valley, at the South end of Lake Tahoe--It was found that Reid-Hillview Aviationin San
Jose was spitting out Pilots with a bare 40 Hours of Flying all in Cessna 150"s.
As soon as they got their Ticket, Reid-Hillview would rent them a Cessna 172 for a Trip to Tahoe and the Casinos. No additional Training.
I would suggest that you go on the NTSB Web site and read the Reports, It is a good education and will make you a better Pilot so that you may enjoy
all of your Flying in the Future.
It is only my intention to advise, not Scare you.
Have Fun and Good Flying!!!
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