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BajaGringo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajagrouper
by the way even me with just an FM-T, when bandits stole some copper off my home the local police investigated, took a report, found the bandits and
put them in jail...ole |
Well that was obviously a mistake!!! Those cops could get themselves into serious trouble. They better give the bandits back their copper before
somebody finds out...
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by elizabeth
The restricted zone is the land within 100 km of the border or 50 km from the coast. Any land outside of that restricted zone can be purchased by
foreigners without a bank trust. |
Oh yeah...Now I remember. I was thinking within my Baja mind-set. Not too much here is in that zone although I think they've established that a very
small parcel up by the widest part is in the free zone but, it's probably in no-mans land.
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Dennis,
All of Baja is in the restricted zone ....
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
All of Baja is in the restricted zone ....
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Not quite all of it, Ron. Look at Bajalou's post above.
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Dave
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Beautiful country
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
All of Baja is in the restricted zone ....
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Not quite all of it, Ron. Look at Bajalou's post above. |
There is quite a bit in Valle Trinidad.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
There is quite a bit in Valle Trinidad. |
Didn't realize the penninsula maintained enough width that far in but, I need a map. What I do know is Valle de Trinidad used to be [maybe still is]
a war zone between the feds and the growers. Ten years back, there were hotels and motels in Ensenada, far removed from the tourist zone, that were
full of federal police from other ares throughout Mexico who would suit up in battle gear for their daytime job in the valley. It was war.
You're right though...beautiful place.
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robrt8
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Don Alley
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajagrouper
So, back to my question, where does it say that personal property can not be left by persons with an FM-T in Mexico... I can see they don't want old
cars, trailers, motor homes, etc. littering the landscape but I am sure that every permanent camp site in Baja has stuff left from week to week in
San Felipe or the East Cape and the owners do not have FM3's or FM2's..Rick |
OK, I can't prove that you need an FM2/3 to leave property in Mexico. Perhaps it's a moot (  )point anyway. Works like this: if you leave property behind without proper immigration docs, and it's stolen, when you report it to the
police they likely will not investigate and you will not get your property back. But if you do have an FM2/3 and report your stolen property, the
police will promise to investigate before you don't get your property back. |
So where did this idea come from that you can't leave property in Mexico on an FMT? A bar?
This is also the first time I've heard of stolen property returned to a gringo except pets.
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Dave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by robrt8
So where did this idea come from that you can't leave property in Mexico on an FMT? A bar?
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With an FMT, here are the things you can legally bring to Mexico. Nothing else.
http://www.aduanas.sat.gob.mx/aduana_mexico/2007/A_Body_Pasa...
Anything on the list you want to leave? 
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Don Alley
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajagrouper
| Quote: | Originally posted by Don Alley
An FM3 gives you more legal rights. You have a right to a hearing before deportation.
If you leave the country, to visit the US, you must take your belongings with you. Anything you leave behind is technically considered abandoned if
you don't have an FM2 or FM3.
I would guess, though, that you're probably OK using an FMT. But if you guess wrong, you can be booted out, and not let back in. So, do you feel
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Senor Alley, The only reason I asked my question is because of the second paragraph of your post. I wanted to know where your information came from,
by the way even me with just an FM-T, when bandits stole some copper off my home the local police investigated, took a report, found the bandits and
put them in jail...ole |
Ole, and touche, you got me.
I assumed your inquiry was in reference to my post but sorry, I don't remember the source(s) of my information, or possibly mis-information. But I do
believe it to be correct, and it is worth every penny you pay for it. I have no problem if you have a home in Mexico with an FMT.
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bajagrouper
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Senor Dave, you stated
" With an FMT, here are the things you can legally bring to Mexico. Nothing else."
The question is what you can leave in Mexico not take into...
Amigo Alley, you stated
"Ole, and touche, you got me."
I am not out to get you, I just want to "get" correct information, that is why I asked the question, I like to learn new things...
P.S. great web site Dave it's in my favorites...Rick
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Dave
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And right back atcha
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajagrouper
Senor Dave, you stated
" With an FMT, here are the things you can legally bring to Mexico. Nothing else."
The question is what you can leave in Mexico not take into...
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What things on a list of acceptable items that a tourist is allowed to bring would you want to leave?
A pack of cigarettes? Video camera? laptop? A suitcase full of used clothing? Half a bottle of tequila? Sleeping bag or tent? What???
Obviously, you fail to comprehend the logic behind the previous post.
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David K
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THIS IS GREAT
| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
Here is the way I said it elsewhere on another forum and applies to such issues of not being able to obtain a clear answer to such questions:
I always say that Mexico isn't for everyone. You have need to have most or all of the following character traits to enjoy a (mostly) pleasant stay:
bohemian
self sufficient
thick skinned
easy going
adaptable
open minded
adventurous
non-complainer (at least not obsessive)
desire to learn, appreciate and participate in the local language and culture
In my 30+ years living in Latin America I have seen how expats from NOB who can be identified by these traits (I probably missed some others that
could be included) are the ones who truly do well down here. I was helping some friends of a friend a few months back who wanted to come down and take
a look around. They were considering Mexico for retirement so the first thing I did was take them for a drive around town and made some small talk in
the car to get to know them. They had questions about assimilation so I put it to them this way - if you are the type who back home gets upset at
things like:
1. Your neighbor who doesn't take his trash cans back in after the garbage truck goes by
2. Your neighbor who like to play music at 11:30 at night
3. Your neighbor who mows his lawn only once a month
4. Your neighbor who likes to work on his car in front of his house
5. Your neighbor who likes to have family get togethers every weekend and their family is bigger than many mid-western towns
6. The grocery store frequently does not have 2 of the 5 items you went there to buy
7. Electricity going out 5 minutes before your favorite TV show is to begin
8. Water pressure going out the evening your family arrives to spend the weekend
9. The mechanic tells you he will have your car ready at 5:00 PM and you thought that meant today
10. The plumber hooked up your new sink with the hot and cold reversed
Then I ask them if they are the types to write letters to the editor of the local newspaper for everything that bugs them about things going on in
their neighborhood back home.
If I get a yes answer to more than 2 of them or especially to the letter to the editor question, I will tell them that Mexico may not be a good choice
for them for anything more than vacations. That is what I told the couple my friends asked me to help out. They actually got a bit upset with me but I
felt like I was doing them a favor.
It is okay to recognize, understand and point out the less than positive aspects of life here in Mexico, but when it reaches the point of ruining your
day then perhaps you need to just recognize that life on this part of the planet is not your cup of tea. No harm intended or directed at anyone in
particular here.
Just an observation and as always, YMMV...
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Wow, I think this is the post of the day!
I am so happy that people who actually live in Baja from the US are responding (Lou, Dave, Dennis, etc.) to this question.
It really is quite simple, maybe because it is Mexico and not the U.S. but the 'T' in FM-T means 'tourist'... an FM-T is usually called a 'Tourist
Card'. It has NOTHING to do with living in Mexico full or part time...
Here is what a 'tourist' does: Travel to Baja, camp or stay in motels/ hotels, fish, hike, buy gifts, take photos, relax, etc. etc. THEN GOES HOME (to
U.S. Canada, etc.). They need a Tourist Card to be 'legal' for stays anywhere in Mexico over 72 hours or to travel south of Maneadero or San Felipe.
The maximum duration of any vacation stay in Mexico is 180 days.
Here is what a part time or full time foreign resident does: Buys or rents a home or a lot for a trailer or palapa... that stays in the same place for
an extended period if not forever.
Lives in that home, trailer, palapa for an extended period of the year if not all year. They need an FM-3 or FM-2 to be 'legal'.
Listen to Dave, he knows... You can buy whatever property someone will sell you no matter if you are legal or not. But, to legally keep any property
(real or personal) in Mexico an FM-3 or FM-2 must be obtained...
Cold hard facts... but best to do for your own protection.
I am sure all the Nomads wish you luck in your move to Baja for part or all of the year!
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CaboRon
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This was in today's BTO .... it seems to imply that even if you have an expired FM3 you need to somehow cancel it, otherwise you can never reenter
Mexico even on a FMT ..
"Expired FM3 - In answer to the question about having an expired FM3 and trying to enter the country: Our friends used to live here in Mexico but have
not lived here for four years. When they returned for a visit this summer, they were entering on tourist visas since they assumed their expired FM3s
were no longer any good. They were given a one day permit and told to appear at Immigration the next day. It turns out that you need to CANCEL your
FM3, not just let it expire. After a 2 hour interview, it was finally decided that they had no ill intents, so the fine was ONLY $200 U.S. apiece! The
gal doing the translation for them told them the official could have gone as high as $900! SO----in answer to the question, an expired FM3 needs to be
canceled if you have no intent to use it again and DO NOT attempt to enter on a tourist permit with an expired FM3 on record! It's a serious offense!
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Another thing to keep in mind is that even some immigration officials dont really know what all the laws are. Many moons ago, I was told by the
immigration jefe that I only need a tourist card...in response to my question about what type of visa should I get seeing as I had a mexican daughter
and was renting a house. When I finally did apply for my FM3, the immigration lady jefe in La Paz wanted to fine me for 6 years of NOT having an fm3
that I was supposed to have had it...geeeesh.
Many of the smaller regional office employees do not give you the correct advice and can cause problems down the line so I learned to always do all my
immigration renewals etc. at the head office in La Paz.
Every little change must be noted in your fm3's....change of address, marital status, underwear....kidding....and when you change jobs...you need a
letter from the company to immigration saying you dont work for them anymore.
I am so glad to not have to deal with all of this anymore as it was always complicated and they fine you for everything.
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David K
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Great advice Ron and Shari!
Oh, congratulations 'abuelita' Shari!
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bajagrouper
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Dave,
Unless an item is on the restricted or prohibited items list someone with an FMT can bring anything into Mexico from a coffee pot to the kitchen sink
as long as they pay any taxes or duties that are due. Like is states in the website you included in your post, the only item that is tied to the FMT
is the car one would bring into Mexico as a temporary vehicle permit..
I am not trying or wanting to argue with you guys, I simply asked a question when Don Alley made a statement in the second thread of the OP....he
stated:If you leave the country, to visit the US, you must take your belongings with you. Anything you leave behind is technically considered
abandoned if you don't have an FM2 or FM3.
I just asked where he got that information...paz
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robrt8
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajagrouper
Unless an item is on the restricted or prohibited items list someone with an FMT can bring anything into Mexico from a coffee pot to the kitchen sink
as long as they pay any taxes or duties that are due. |
An FMT holder can also go to Walmart. Does everything we buy become the property of Mexico if it doesn't fit in the suitcase?
Please, someone, show us something we can refer to. How about a first-hand story even?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
Here is the way I said it elsewhere on another forum and applies to such issues of not being able to obtain a clear answer to such questions:
I always say that Mexico isn't for everyone. You have need to have most or all of the following character traits to enjoy a (mostly) pleasant stay:
bohemian
self sufficient
thick skinned
easy going
adaptable
open minded
adventurous
non-complainer (at least not obsessive)
desire to learn, appreciate and participate in the local language and culture
In my 30+ years living in Latin America I have seen how expats from NOB who can be identified by these traits (I probably missed some others that
could be included) are the ones who truly do well down here. I was helping some friends of a friend a few months back who wanted to come down and take
a look around. They were considering Mexico for retirement so the first thing I did was take them for a drive around town and made some small talk in
the car to get to know them. They had questions about assimilation so I put it to them this way - if you are the type who back home gets upset at
things like:
1. Your neighbor who doesn't take his trash cans back in after the garbage truck goes by
2. Your neighbor who like to play music at 11:30 at night
3. Your neighbor who mows his lawn only once a month
4. Your neighbor who likes to work on his car in front of his house
5. Your neighbor who likes to have family get togethers every weekend and their family is bigger than many mid-western towns
6. The grocery store frequently does not have 2 of the 5 items you went there to buy
7. Electricity going out 5 minutes before your favorite TV show is to begin
8. Water pressure going out the evening your family arrives to spend the weekend
9. The mechanic tells you he will have your car ready at 5:00 PM and you thought that meant today
10. The plumber hooked up your new sink with the hot and cold reversed
Then I ask them if they are the types to write letters to the editor of the local newspaper for everything that bugs them about things going on in
their neighborhood back home.
If I get a yes answer to more than 2 of them or especially to the letter to the editor question, I will tell them that Mexico may not be a good choice
for them for anything more than vacations. That is what I told the couple my friends asked me to help out. They actually got a bit upset with me but I
felt like I was doing them a favor.
It is okay to recognize, understand and point out the less than positive aspects of life here in Mexico, but when it reaches the point of ruining your
day then perhaps you need to just recognize that life on this part of the planet is not your cup of tea. No harm intended or directed at anyone in
particular here.
Just an observation and as always, YMMV...
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Hey, that's all good stuff. Why don't you wrap that up into an article and ask Thora to publish it in her Baja Lifestyles Magazine?
Then duck!
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Baja Gringo.. Great post about the "mind set" to make it in Mexico
As for our experiance in Loreto, a few years back immigration was going door to door to homes they knew foreigners were living and demanding to see
proper papers (FM-2/3s), if they were not produced.. The person's were asked to step up the counter and fined and/ or required to apply for an FM-3
status on the spot.
Democracy is like two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by LaTijereta
Baja Gringo.. Great post about the "mind set" to make it in Mexico
As for our experiance in Loreto, a few years back immigration was going door to door to homes they knew foreigners were living and demanding to see
proper papers (FM-2/3s), if they were not produced.. The person's were asked to step up the counter and fined and/ or required to apply for an FM-3
status on the spot. |
You must admit it was very nice of them to bring the counter to your front door
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| Quote: | Originally posted by LaTijereta
Baja Gringo.. Great post about the "mind set" to make it in Mexico
As for our experiance in Loreto, a few years back immigration was going door to door to homes they knew foreigners were living and demanding to see
proper papers (FM-2/3s), if they were not produced.. The person's were asked to step up the counter and fined and/ or required to apply for an FM-3
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They did the same in the San Felipe area. And rumor has it, they are planing to do it in the near future..
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