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msteve1014
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Russ, You don't have to worry about "the man" shutting off the water any longer? Or was that just a power struggle up near the hotel? I think I
prefer having "utilities".
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longlegsinlapaz
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First of all, please understand that this thread was started several months ago....therefore the discrepancies in rate amounts posted by various
people over a period of time.
Second.....ARRRRRGH!!! While Kate was doing things the EASY way,
I was slaving over old bills, creating a simplified non-scientific chart to try to better explain, & cussing a LOT! Then I logged back on to post it, only to see that Kate's beat me to the punch with
a lot less effort! But I'm posting it anyway!
Please note, the following confirms what Kate said!
Cooler Months
December – April is billed @ lower Basic/Intermediate/Excessive kWh increments & higher rate schedules
Hotter Months
May – October is billed @ higher Basic/Intermediate/Excessive kWh increments & lower rate schedules
10/18/08 - 12/17/08
150 0.659 $ 98.85
200 1.081 $216.20
382 2.297 $877.45
732 kWh $1,311.77
8/19/08 – 10/17/08
350 0.575 $201.25
436 0.676 $294.73
786 kWh $546.02
4/17/08 – 6/18/08
350 0.567 $198.45
395 0.668 $263.86
745 kWh $508.81
12/13/07 – 2/13/08
150 0.639 $ 95.85
200 1.049 $209.80
568 2.227 $1,264.93
918 kWh $1,728.02
As a footnote, I've always felt that I'm VERY conservative in my electricity usage (no lights during the day, light on only in the room I'm in at
night, no exterior lights on at night, pool filtration reduced from the 6-hour setting equipment installer programmed to 2 hours, gas water heater
& cooking), but some of you guys who are only paying "$25-30" USD equiv. are ticking me off! Tonight I'm going from room-to-room & unplugging things I don't use every day!
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BajaNuts
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And to support what LongLegs said,
There are a lot of "ghost currents" in houses. I'm talking about things that are on even when they're not on.
Everything that has a clock/timer- tv, coffee pot, vcr, dvd, microwave....
COMPUTER- even though it is not functioning, it is still drawing current.
Other things- anything with a timer- irrigation, pool circulation, electric toothbrush charger (even if the toothbrush is charged, the unit is on)-
Chargers- cell phone charger, Wii remote charger, anything plugged in and especially if it has a little red "indicator" light.............it's sucking
juice!
We did an electrical job for a customer about 5 years ago who was TOTALLY off the grid in north central Washington. (Try that in the winter.....)
They asked us to put several outlets for things like the tv and microwave outlets in certain places so they could unplug them to eliminate the
electrical draw of those items. They plug them in when they need to use the item and then unplug them when not in use.
There are some studies out there about how much electricity items use even when turned off. I'll see if I can find them.
Think about what's plugged in right now in your casa, and how many of those items are actually using the juice.............
Hope this helps for awareness of watt's being used.........
(pun TOTALLY intended:lol )
[Edited on 1-22-2009 by BajaNuts]
[Edited on 1-22-2009 by BajaNuts]
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comitan
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My electric coincides with longlegs within 100 peso's and am not complaining.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaNuts
And to support what LongLegs said,
There are a lot of "ghost currents" in houses. I'm talking about things that are on even when they're not on.
Everything that has a clock/timer- tv, coffee pot, vcr, dvd, microwave....
COMPUTER- even though it is not functioning, it is still drawing current.
Other things- anything with a timer- irrigation, pool circulation, electric toothbrush charger (even if the toothbrush is charged, the unit is on)-
Chargers- cell phone charger, Wii remote charger, anything plugged in and especially if it has a little red "indicator" light.............it's sucking
juice!
We did an electrical job for a customer about 5 years ago who was TOTALLY off the grid in north central Washington. (Try that in the winter.....)
They asked us to put several outlets for things like the tv and microwave outlets in certain places so they could unplug them to eliminate the
electrical draw of those items. They plug them in when they need to use the item and then unplug them when not in use.
There are some studies out there about how much electricity items use even when turned off. I'll see if I can find them.
Think about what's plugged in right now in your casa, and how many of those items are actually using the juice.............
Hope this helps for awareness of watt's being used.........
(pun TOTALLY intended:lol )
[Edited on 1-22-2009 by BajaNuts]
[Edited on 1-22-2009 by BajaNuts] |
Anything pullged in can and does draw energy- they call them "vampires" I think.
I don't understand what you folks are complaining about.
Our bill is 11,000 pesos for two months! No, it's not a ttypo and no one is staeling our powers (no houses on three sides of us and the forth side is
the street) It was running 8,000 every two months last year.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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k-rico
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I'm in TJ
From 7 Oct to 3 Dec, 57 days, I used 532 kWh and my bill was $1,732, before the 10% IVA. Obviously no AC and no electric heat, gas clothes dryer and
hot water tank. Two people.
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longlegsinlapaz
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WHOA Woooosh!!!
Your bi-monthly electric bill exceeds my monthly income! Are you SURE you're not supplying power to half of Rosarito? (...back to unplugging innocent looking, kWh-sucking electrical
devices)
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vandenberg
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| Quote: | Originally posted by longlegsinlapaz
Your bi-monthly electric bill exceeds my monthly income! Are you SURE you're not supplying power to half of Rosarito? (...back to unplugging innocent looking, kWh-sucking electrical
devices) |
See what I was talking about, posting the amount of our bi-monthly bill, to make you feel better.
Now that Wooosh has posted his, it make our $ 250.00 (yes dollrs) a month yearly average bill, great by comparison.
But, then again, my bill in Sacramento, many years ago, was running an average of $ 200.00.
[Edited on 1-22-2009 by vandenberg]
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BMG
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Depends on who is living in the house.
Our housesitter this summer had 2 electric bills that she was responsible for. Her total was about M$800 for 4 months!?! (A little over M$400 Jul/Aug
and a little under Sep/Oct.) She must have turned everything off except the refrigerator. I don't think she ever used the A/C, only the ceiling fan
while sleeping.
We returned to La Paz in mid-Nov and our Nov/Dec bill was M$1002.
I think the world is run by C- students.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by longlegsinlapaz
Your bi-monthly electric bill exceeds my monthly income! Are you SURE you're not supplying power to half of Rosarito? (...back to unplugging innocent looking, kWh-sucking electrical
devices) |
We have mutilple units, a pool, and beach-illuminating flood lights all on the same meter- so we could and will be doing things smarter. The soccer
kids aren't happy when the lights come on late (7pm) one lady was downright nasty to me about not having the lights on for them. (she got a one night
no-lights for anyone "yellow card" for that.
cargo fijo precio 68.24
basico precio 3.278
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longlegsinlapaz
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaNuts
We did an electrical job for a customer about 5 years ago who was TOTALLY off the grid in north central Washington. (Try that in the winter.....)
They asked us to put several outlets for things like the tv and microwave outlets in certain places so they could unplug them to eliminate the
electrical draw of those items. They plug them in when they need to use the item and then unplug them when not in use. |
And then there are those of us who are more-aesthetically minded who intentionally planned ALL our outlets to "hide" behind things thereby removing
them from view...thus making it harder to access...as I'm now discovering wasn't such a smart idea after all!
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BajaNuts
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Unfortunately, point of views can change as to what is important.
Usually the aesthetics are what we spend multiple emails debating............"would the switch look better on the left side of the hall or the right
side of the hall".... (when I'm on the job I'm thinking............. JUST BE GLAD YOU HAVE A SWITCH!)
Plug strips with a switch on them are a good secret for turning off things that aren't easily accessible.
couldashouldawoulda......................
I have to add here, i was sitting in the living room at 6:00pm today and looking outside and it was pitch black. I was thinking of a year ago when we
were in La Paz and it was light much later.
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wessongroup
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Standby power study by Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
http://standby.lbl.gov/summary-table.html
Just found this thread looking for current power costs in the Baja..
If there any updates to what has already been posted, they would be welcomed
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Dave
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The Mexican Way
In the space of three billing periods my commercial meter went from 3900 to 11,500 pesos. Complained about it but got no response. They said nothing
was wrong with the meter...guess because I was paying the bills.
Finally, miracle of miracles, the meter was accidentally broken. They replaced it and the bill went back down to acceptable levels. I even
got a credit for past overcharges.
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woody with a view
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by accident you mean an errant baseball bat?
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wessongroup
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Some good news
| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
In the space of three billing periods my commercial meter went from 3900 to 11,500 pesos. Complained about it but got no response. They said nothing
was wrong with the meter...guess because I was paying the bills.
Finally, miracle of miracles, the meter was accidentally broken. They replaced it and the bill went back down to acceptable levels. I even
got a credit for past overcharges. |
Thanks, glad to hear a good story..... with a happy ending
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JESSE
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Just to make you guys feel better, my last bill was 15,000 pesos.
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rocmoc
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Jesse, that's not for residential use is It?
rocmoc n AZ//Mexico
rocmoc n AZ/Mexico
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wessongroup
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Wow
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
Just to make you guys feel better, my last bill was 15,000 pesos. |
Understand your mood totally!!!
[Edited on 8-29-2009 by wessongroup]
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BigWooo
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In our future home we have a couple of 3 way switches that will shut off the outlets supplying power to kitchen appliances, dvd's, tv's, and
satellite...all the stuff with "phantom loads". One switch will be placed near the appliance, the other in route to the bedroom. That way it will be
convenient to shut them off when not needed.
Down side is that stuff with digital clocks will always be screwed up, but a battery power clock on the wall will keep us on time. Wait...we'll be
retired, forget the clock, who cares .
We're doing this because more because we're solar and it will save us the cost of buying some extra panels, however I bet if you design an on-grid
home in a similar manner you'll see a some savings.
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