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capt. mike
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Sorry DK, but you still are missing it - BBP does not need a forum, public or otherwise, to promote the advantages of BBP membership - look at the
public section - resting there is all the data needed to understand what BBP is and does.
What Arnold did 20 years ago has no relevance today. His organization was DOA when Jack bought it and overhauled then resurrected it.
The BBP offers enormous quantities of FREE pages/access on the public side of the website that the non member, non flying public can view and receive
benefit from.
It is not a secret society. That statement is preposterous but mainly laughable. You are inflecting that there is elitism in the BBP's motives or that
it is exclusionary which it is not by any means. And to suggest that limiting access to a forum reduces their recruiting or that free access would
increase their roles cannot be substantiated by anyone except BBP admin so why offer it as fact? It's just that kind of posturing that runs rampant on
public forums which BBP members do not want polluting and crowding their members' arena.
The choice to make the discussion forum accessable to members was to reward those who supported the BBP with membership and disreward those constantly
pumping for free data but never ponying up to pay for their here-to-for free ride. Not to mention the oft poster who didn't fly but simply chose to
muddle the space with non essential drivel.
Before it went private the membership were consulted and overwhelmingly concurred with the decision to create both a public and members only section
for the website. People don't join so they can play around on a chat board like nomads is. Frankly, if you look at BBP membership, about 4000, vs.
active BBP forum posters, the number who actually particpate on the forum is quite small in relative %.
But it is quality not quantity which counts, contrary to most free open sites I participate in, including this one.
funny.....i started here via a closed thread looking for info from locals on a crash, then i thought it better to have it deleted, which it was as
explained above. Well that certainly lasted.
formerly Ordained in Rev. Ewing\'s Church by Mail - busted on tax fraud.......
Now joined L. Ron Hoover\'s church of Appliantology
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fishbuck
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I gotta say I'm still with DavidK on this one.
I posted a few times on the old forum. Then it was members only who could post. Now member only who could view.
I lost interest in them at that point.
But when I could view it I was very interested and almost joined a few times. Now I never even think about them.
Where I rent the plane they have most of the current info. The planes goes there weekly and the pilots pass along the info.
If I had any current info from a trip I would certainly pass it along to any pilots I could free of charge.
There just isn't that much to know about Baja anymore. There is only 5 places to buy fuel that I know about. And not very many runways left to use.
I do sense just a little elitism with BBP. But I don't really know those guys so maybe they are super friendly.
Seems like alot of turbine owners there and those guys usually have disdain for a little rental pilot anyway.
But I sure use to love reading their forum.
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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capt. mike
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I understand your outlook Fishbuck but sadly i regret you don't see the value. I bet you don't support AOPA either.
Maybe you'll change about the 1st time you have a major issue when south with a plane and need the kind of help BBP and it's members are willing to
provide - like a mechanical rescue. I have done 3 of them.
I enjoy the friendships of a hundred or more guys (and gals) i have met thru the BBP including some outstanding times in baja and mainland with our
planes or club's. There are hardly any turbine drivers among them, all are burning 100 LL like you and I. we love the dirt strips - the Jet A boys are
limited mostly to paved ports. in 27 years of flying to popular places like the Serenidad i can count on 1/2 a hand the number of different turbo
props i have seen there - and mostly it is the same one, a nice aero commander 680 whose owner has a place on the hill before the turn to Posada.
So keep reading the public BBP site - there is a whole lot more to do there than a discussion forum. Maybe one day we'll have you as a member - or if
not, that's fine too.
formerly Ordained in Rev. Ewing\'s Church by Mail - busted on tax fraud.......
Now joined L. Ron Hoover\'s church of Appliantology
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Skeet/Loreto
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The Baja Bush Pilots are a Good Group of Pilots who live and Love Baja, Mexico, and Central Latin America.
I was a Member way back when Arnold Sennteriff was making out Landing strips in Baja for his Book{I think about 1972}
A Couple of years ago I made some Inquries about becoming an "Homorary Member" due to my Age and Experience and not flying actively anymore.
Talked to several people and even one Day at Hermasill0 had a Conservation with the Guy who Runs it.
I was only interested in trying to help with my Knowledge of Flying Baja and my Accident Investigation Experience.
Their Silence indicated that they were not interested in an Ole Timer unless he wanted to Pay up Front.
Neverthe less it is a good outfit and the combined knowledge can be of help if you are new to Flying in Baja. I would urge any new Pilot to Baja to
Join and ask Questions expecially if you are going to Fly into a New Area for the First Time.
Hanger Flying at the Seriendad on a Week end can enable you to gain information about all types of Problems that may Arise.
Skeet/Loreto
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dtbushpilot
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Registered: 1-11-2007
Location: Buena Vista BCS
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Capt. Mike,
Don't waste your time arguing with the complainers. If they were members they would "get it". They might have a clue how much work Jack and Claudia
put into the club and how much they have saved us who regularly fly in Baja as well as the rest of Mexico. They also might know how much easier and
safer Baja travel has become for GA pilots in Baja. They would probably have joined in on some of the many group trips that the club puts together and
had met some great new friends. They may have even gotten involved in some of the humanitarian relief efforts spearheded by the BBP and expirienced
the satisfaction that comes from helping others. They would even have the benifit of having the BBP mount a search and rescue effort for them if they
go missing while flying in Mexico or anywhere else for that matter.....even if they weren't members......but they're not, and they don't, and they
won't because it costs 50 bucks.
Anybody who can afford to own a plane and fly in Mexico would spend a lot more if they weren't members.
If there is a Nomad member out there who OWNS THEIR OWN PLANE and flies, or wants to fly in Mexico and can't afford the membership, pm me and I will
pay your first years dues. if you renew (you will) I will expect you to re-imburse me because by then you will "get it" too.....dt
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David K
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Registered: 8-30-2002
Location: San Diego County
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Mood: Have Baja Fever
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Mike, the BBP forums were viewable for many years and made BBP a great resource to pilots and future pilots...
That said, I believe any pilot who can't pay $49 would be foolish to fly into Baja without a BBP membership... I do believe in what Jack and Erik are
doing. Don't think I am against BBP at all... I want then to do better and grow bigger... That is why I suggest at a minimum, allow viewing of the
forums, if not participation.
The free side of BBP does not have any Baja travel info on it (last time I looked)... nor does any good if a new pilot comes here looking for airport
info. (and we always sent him to BBP)... That is no longer an option, sadly.
Skeet, Fishbuck, and any other pilots who want to share their Baja flying details or stories... please do so, right here on Doug's free Baja Nomad
Private Pilots forum... Nomad will still allow BBP members to look at it, even if they do not contribute for all the hard work and effort Mr. Doug
Means puts into this site for every viewers benefit!  
I am a believer in the free exchange of vital travel info. to Americans (and others) traveling to Baja... It is both a safety issue and a good idea...
promotes good will, etc.
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Cypress
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Location: on the bayou
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A plane crashes into a hill. Someones father /brother/son dies. Sad! RIP!
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fishbuck
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"If there is a Nomad member out there who OWNS THEIR OWN PLANE and flies..."
Well if that isn't elitism I not sure I know what is!
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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fishbuck
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
A plane crashes into a hill. Someones father /brother/son dies. Sad! RIP! |
A King Air flew into a hill on or after takeoff from Chavato? I know there is a little hill at the end of the runway. Is that where he hit?
Anybody know anything except that it costs $50 to read the forum at BBP?
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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Natalie Ann
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I am sad for the loss of this man's life. Prayers for his loved ones.
nena
Be yourself, everyone else is already taken.
.....Oscar Wilde
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Russ
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Registered: 7-4-2004
Location: Punta Chivato
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The pilot made a left turn as to return to the runway and appeared to have just cleared just clear a notch between two hills when he went down. I
don't know anything else about this tragic accident. The community is pretty shaken up and in shock.
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dtbushpilot
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Location: Buena Vista BCS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fishbuck
"If there is a Nomad member out there who OWNS THEIR OWN PLANE and flies..."
Well if that isn't elitism I not sure I know what is! |
It's not "elitism" fishbuck, I didn't intend to buy memberships for everybody who wants to "have a look" now and then, but those who might actually
take advantage of the membership. If you seriously plan to fly in mexico I'll be happy to make an exception in your case...pm me.....dt
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Skeet/Loreto
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If anyone gets more details will you please u2u to me if you would prefer not to Post.
I am interested ,as many years ago I investigated 2 Accidents at Chivato,.
Thanks Skeet
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dtbushpilot
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fishbuck
| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
A plane crashes into a hill. Someones father /brother/son dies. Sad! RIP! |
A King Air flew into a hill on or after takeoff from Chavato? I know there is a little hill at the end of the runway. Is that where he hit?
Anybody know anything except that it costs $50 to read the forum at BBP? |
That's all I know....Anybody else?....dt
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thebajarunner
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Location: Arizona....."Free at last from crumbling Cali
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http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=46184
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Russ
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thebajarunner, I don't know how reputable the site/organization is but many of the facts are not accurate.
I thought the "South Pacific" was South of the Equator. I could be wrong on that. I've never heard of Baja being part of the South Pacific.
The pilot was not returning from dropping of the owner. He was on his way to pick him up at Tortuga where Mr. Lyddon was fishing with his guests.
And it was not 500m from the hotel. More like 3 to 5 miles. Or maybe 1 mile West of the end of the runway.
Just a clarification. I don't mean to shoot the messenger.
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fishbuck
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Engine failure on takeoff?
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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thebajarunner
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Russ, no problemo amigo
Since those who seem to know the facts refuse to share them (without popping 50 bucks of vigorish)
those of us that are, or were, pilots are grasping for any info that we might be able to find.
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thebajarunner
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Gee Mike, I must be pretty important
""in 27 years of flying to popular places like the Serenidad i can count on 1/2 a hand the number of different turbo props i have seen there - and
mostly it is the same one, a nice aero commander 680 whose owner has a place on the hill before the turn to Posada. ""
In the early 80's I flew my 210T (N222T) several times into Serinadad.
Had a friend who was interested in resurrecting the mess at Punta Chivato, but in the end he lost interest.
Guess I must have used up most of those fingers you were counting
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Russ
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I was outside kinda working and remember the plane taking off. It's one of a few turbos here. If I had noticed/heard a problem with the engines during
take off I would have looked up. I'm the nearest home to the runway on the Shell Beach side. Maybe 3 miles from the crash site and never heard a thing
until I got a phone call from a friend at the crash site an hour or so after. I understand there are a lot of you that have a genuine interest in this
but I am uncomfortable, right now, talking about it. I wish peace to all family and friends of the pilot.
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