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bajajudy
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Barry
Possibly a generation, maybe two, what do I know.
But I think that you just proved my point...you were educated not to do it.
Adios
[Edited on 3-25-2006 by bajajudy]
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wornout
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Bondy
What's wrong with this photo?
[Edited on 2-17-2003 by Ken Bondy] |
Well, it makes one think that dumping tires along the road is ok, just NOT here.
This Space Available, E-Mail Me If Interested.
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Barry A.
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Judy-----
-----I asked my wife at dinner why she thought people littered along the highways------------she said, "lack of education!!!! They don't know any
better".
I am really getting beat up here.
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Don Alley
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
------is the only thing that I can come up with to explain littering. Why would someone litter unless they wanted to shock or offend other people?
That is what littering does-----it offends others.
It sure does not take "smarts" to be offended by trash blowing around, just like it does not take "smarts" to take a bath. It is kinda like, "duh",
at least to me. Are you telling me that we had to be "taught" not to litter???? I simply cannot buy that. It makes no sense to me. My family
considered littering a capitol crime, and we would have been grounded forever if we had ever done that, and none of us EVER did-----EVER!!!!
Am I missing something here?? |
Lady Bird Johnson made "beautifying America" her pet First Lady project. This was the start of a major national anti-littering campaign, as well as
efforts to better landscape the nation's capitol. Early 1960's.
And today, keeping the country litter free is still an ongoing task. Work crews and adopt-a-highway programs to keep roadside clean, etc.
And where no one picks up litter? Ask an ice fisherman from up near our part of Montana...they say that you can drill a hole in the ice in the
shallows of any lake and look down and see an aluminum can.
Lately there have been more clean up crews on the roads and beaches in Baja.
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fdt
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
It is kinda like, "duh", at least to me. Are you telling me that we had to be "taught" not to litter???? I simply cannot buy that. It makes no
sense to me.
Am I missing something here?? |
You mean to say that you were born knowing all of this and you were never "taught" not to litter???
I have to tell my kids every day, from dirty plates to clothes.
As for the hostility, it's probably due to your post number 666 
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David K
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Barry, remember the commercials in the 60's-70's with the Indian shedding a tear as trash was thrown out of cars driving by...? Or, 'Give a hoot,
don't pollute'...
Throwing trash without thought from an auto was highly practiced before this education and awareness... Now, the only people who I see regularly toss
'trash' are cigarette smokers with their butts...
I am sure there are plenty exceptions to the habits of the majority both here and in Mexico.
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Barry A.
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Come on, guys------------
-------you KNOW what I mean!! Of course you are not "born" knowing not to litter, but it becomes really obvious really fast when one opens their
eyes------nobody had to tell me-----I repeat, "Duh"------that was what the picture starting this thread is all about, it seems to me-------it is
OBVIOUS!!! The fact that the sign was in the pic, also, is the most absurd part, at least to me------what does it take for people to see the
OBVIOUS?? (sigh)
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bbbait
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Is anyone close or going that way so we could get a current photo of the same view? Might be interesting.
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TripleG
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Littering and education
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Barry, remember the commercials in the 60's-70's with the Indian shedding a tear as trash was thrown out of cars driving by...? Or, 'Give a hoot,
don't pollute'...
Throwing trash without thought from an auto was highly practiced before this education and awareness... Now, the only people who I see regularly toss
'trash' are cigarette smokers with their butts...
I am sure there are plenty exceptions to the habits of the majority both here and in Mexico. |
I remember my first trip to CSL and a drive to Todo Santos, and the road was the worst littering I had ever seen. A couple of years later my wife and
I were on a whale watching bus, and I asked one of the guides why the Resorts didn't send crews to pickup litter instead of spending so much time and
effort in painting the road curbs red.
I was told that the young ones in school were being taught that this was wrong and this was a start. I notice that the Resorts are now policing the
road to Todo Santos, and the effert is very noticable.
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BajaDanD
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Trash dump
I believe the picture was taken just after you cross the long bridge heading south, so. of El Rosario. that is a local trash dump sometimes stuff
blows all over that area and sometimes its a little better its not from people throwing trash out their car windows there is way to much trash for
that there.
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Bob H
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bbbait
Is anyone close or going that way so we could get a current photo of the same view? Might be interesting. |
That WOULD be interesting! Great idea.
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David K
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I am going to El Rosario next week... I will get a photo.
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David K
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As promissed
The No Tire Basura sign is gone!!! 4-8-06
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David K
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David K
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View back towards El Rosario...
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Barry;
Have you ever owned a rental? I was astounded to see the kind of filth and degredation some 'humans' will live in..... when they're just too lazy to
pick up after themselves. The litter they throw on the highway is not much compared to what some live in. I've had to clean the crud out of houses
with a shovel.
Not in that business any more, gracias dios!
Neil
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tehag
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trash
That dump, El Rosario, is typical of small-town dumps. There are many in the US just as bad. The trash isn't burried often, if at all, so wind has its
way with the lighter stuff. Also there is no enforcement of the actual dump site, so to save time and avoid tire damage, people tend to dump ever
closer to the ingress road until the highway and the dump sort of merge. Education of individuals AND authorities can help ? over time.
As far as tossing goes, programs are popping up all over Baja to both educate against and clean up after. All the schools are into it now. Kid
pressure can be strong stuff on parents. Whether it's ignorance or contempt, society can change it if it will.
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Pompano
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'Some' dumps in Baja are meeting grounds for many...the one next to Posada in Conception Bay is filled with usable stuff. I am not squeamish about
walking around the area. A lot of it I put there over the years..but I have rooted around in there many a time looking for a possible part or
substitute for a needed thing. This particular dump is a treasure trove area, as many a veteran Conception beach camper knows, and whenever I drive
by on the highway, I generally see someone out searching through the debris.
Once, about 15 years or so ago, I was off-loading a heavy, old, defunct Servel gas refrigerator that I was disgusted with...having spent way too much
time and money keeping it working as a beer cooler. As I was getting ready to shove it off into the area where the other scrap metal stuff was
located, a nice-mannered fellow from Posado came over and looked at that old fridge. 'Excuse me', he says, 'but if you don't want that Servel, do you
mind if I take it? I might get it to work again.'
'Of course not', I said 'Be my guest.'
I helped slide it into his truck box and we became friends..and we owe that friendship to a chance meeting at a dump. Whenever we have met again over
the years we always hark back to that day at the dump.
By the way, he purged the coils, got it recharged, burped it, and got that dang fridge going...It is still cooling his beer to this day. Sheesh...!
That dump is slowly..slowly..being cleaned up as I write... plastics bagged, bulldozed, and generally becoming less of an eyesore to the highway
tourists...
..but the locals know there is still 'treasure' out there.
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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Have never been able to understand why people throw trash out along the roads or dump in otherwise clean areas.  Fast food containers etc., maybe the dumper is supposed to be on some sort of diet and is getting rid if the
evidence? Is it a gene thing? Any paper or plastic will blow out of the back of a pickup if not weighted down.
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Pompano
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Cypress and all, you can always do a 'adopt a highway' portion to clean up the trash in your area, as we do Up North...no reason not to do the same in
Baja. Most of us do what we can along our neighborhood highway...it works and brings attention to the problem.
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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