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BajaGringo
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The inverter takes 12v from the batteries / feed and converts it to 110v
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Bob and Susan
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take the generator back and get a honda 2000 EU
you'll be way happier
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dianaji
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob and Susan
take the generator back and get a honda 2000 EU
you'll be way happier |
i paid $195 for the generator, it's quiet, and like new AND has an electric start!
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dianaji
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more info on the windmill. this is a reply i got in regards to the noise, etc.
My turbines are not noisy, most of the noise comes not from the blade turbulance, but from the electronic friction from the motor. I have tested
multiple motors for noise and the Ametek motors from pantek are the quietest. These are the motors that I use!! Also my turbines can produce 500Watts
of electricity in a 5-10 knott wind, this is because the blades are not small they are 1 meter wide. Also, I believe in a solar and wind complementary
system, but for the cost to power ratio and the usage to power ratio the turbines are 2 times more cost efficeint and the power is 60% where the solar
will be only 30% at best. The technology in solar is not quite there, but they are getting close with reversing the photosynthesis of L.E.D. s.
Anyhow, this should answer some of these questions, If you have any more then let me know.
(the above was sent to me by john, the maker of the windmills.
he also told me that anyone that would have any more questions, he would be happy to answer them.
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islandmusicteach
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Well, that explains everything. 
| Quote: | Originally posted by dianaji
more info on the windmill. this is a reply i got in regards to the noise, etc.
My turbines are not noisy, most of the noise comes not from the blade turbulance, but from the electronic friction from the motor. I have tested
multiple motors for noise and the Ametek motors from pantek are the quietest. These are the motors that I use!! Also my turbines can produce 500Watts
of electricity in a 5-10 knott wind, this is because the blades are not small they are 1 meter wide. Also, I believe in a solar and wind complementary
system, but for the cost to power ratio and the usage to power ratio the turbines are 2 times more cost efficeint and the power is 60% where the solar
will be only 30% at best. The technology in solar is not quite there, but they are getting close with reversing the photosynthesis of L.E.D. s.
Anyhow, this should answer some of these questions, If you have any more then let me know.
(the above was sent to me by john, the maker of the windmills.
he also told me that anyone that would have any more questions, he would be happy to answer them. |
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Diver
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Sounds like he is building his own with good success.
I'm curious to find out about his system; ie what is the power curve.
How about some contact info for your supplier ?
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dianaji
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windmill contact...
as i said, he is happy to help anyone... he can tell u anything u might want to know...and tell him i sent u!!!
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dianaji
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| Quote: | Originally posted by islandmusicteach
Well, that explains everything. e]
well, good, cause if he wasn't such a nice guy, he would have told me to get lost, because of all the questions i had for him! i was afraid he would
be afraid that i was doubting him, and intuitively, i really trust the guy. just to let u know, he owns a horse ranch, plus his love for
windmills... he supplies me with all of the composted manure i can ever want, and even helped me load it into my car! |
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dianaji
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windmill contact
| Quote: | Originally posted by Diver
Sounds like he is building his own with good success.
I'm curious to find out about his system; ie what is the power curve.
How about some contact info for your supplier ? |
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oops! here it is:
john@paradisehill.net
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vandenberg
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Hey Diane,
One thing in your favor,
If you need the sh*t to hit the fan, you don't have far to go.
One supplier.
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dianaji
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vandenberg
Hey Diane,
One thing in your favor,
If you need the sh*t to hit the fan, you don't have far to go.
One supplier. |
ya, but the sh*t is in the u.s., so can't use it in la mision! know anyone who has organic sh*t there?
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MrBillM
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BS
The statement that MOST of the noise comes not from the Blades, but the alternator is PURE BS.
ALL of the disturbing noise comes from the Blades. The lesser sound of the alternator can't even be heard because of the blade noise.
That statement makes anything the vendor would say questionable.
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Bob and Susan
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hard as this is to belive...
i'm with mr bill
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dianaji
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as hard as this is to believe, i'm with john. we shall see.
i have nothing to defend. i trust this guy, and that's my story and i'm sticking to it.
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jbcoug
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I'm sorry, but we have known the reverse of photosynthesis for a long time, it's called cellular respiration. Unfortunately, L.E.D.s don't carry on
photosynthesis or respiration. These processes can only be done by living organisms. But I do have to give it to John the windmill maker, it does
sound high tech!
jbcoug
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
The statement that MOST of the noise comes not from the Blades, but the alternator is PURE BS.
ALL of the disturbing noise comes from the Blades. The lesser sound of the alternator can't even be heard because of the blade noise.
That statement makes anything the vendor would say questionable. |
I am surprised to find MrBill write something I agree with.... and we all know that MrBill is an experienced at producing noise 
MrBill is one of the few humanoids that can photosynthesize, so I am surprised he did not also pick up on the misinformation on photosynthesis.
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dianaji
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john is not a "saleman" it's his passion and he has spent many years on this technology.
the proof will be in the pudding and i want to be one to taste it.
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k-rico
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I'm wondering what the tech specs are for a $700 whirly-gig system. I have no idea about how wind turbines are rated. But, essentially, there must be
some numbers that describe the electrical energy produced at a certain rpm and the sustained wind speed that creates the rpm. What are you doing?
Charging up lead-acid (very unpleaseant stuff) car batteries and then converting (inverting) 12 VDC to 110 AC? Can't you get some wires strung in?
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MrBillM
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Making Noise
http://www.wind-works.org/articles/noiseswt.html
"Small wind turbine noise is principally a function of tip speed and shape.
Some designs also contribute a tonal component from the alternator. (See
side bar Sources of Small Turbine Noise) Research by Nico van der Borg
at ECN found that the source strength of noise from wind turbines could
be approximated using a formula based on rotor diameter, where larger wind
turbines generate proportionally more noise than smaller machines. The model
was derived from data on experimental wind turbines designed in the 1970s
and early 1980s. Many of these early research turbines operated at very high
tip speeds. Van der Borg compared them to commercial turbines available in
the 1980s and estimated that the commercial turbines were as much 7 dB quieter
than their predecessors."
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toneart
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It will be very interesting to hear from you, Dianaji, when you get yours running, assuming you will take John's advice. If the noise factor is
minimal like he says, it would be useful to many of us.
Me and Sancho have been battling the damned things for almost 500 years to no avail, sometimes right here on the Nomad. On this string, we will just
sit on our burros without flailing, and wait and see. 
Buenas Suertes!
Sr. Toneart de Quixote
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