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Mexitron
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Communism isn't dead--its just moved into the local building permit department....
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dbrooks
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One person in charge at a time!!
Grow up...me? You grow up.
That said - the 1989 date coincides with the Berlin wall coming down.
Now get your beer off your belly and walk somewhere.
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Debra
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Mexitron
 now that's funny!
[Edited on 6-4-2004 by Debra]
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Bajabus
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Whats this one person at a time in charge garbage....that's a fascist dictatorship. If we are crazy kooky communists then darn it we are all in
charge comrades.
Pass me the scythe and where did I leave that dam hammer.
I'm off to mallwart to see if I can find a nice red bandanna made in a socialist country.
"Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked of such a thing."
Dwight David Eisenhower
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Mexitron
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The Journal of Nature published a paper around 1999(I'm sorry I can't give the link because they won't let me into their archives) about an experiment
that was performed to test CO2 emissions.
The scientists tested the air for CO2 concentration on the west coast of America--this air being relatively "clean" after passing over the ocean,
which does much of the CO2 absorbtion on the planet. They then tested the air as it left the east coast. Since America is looked on as the biggest
polluter in the world, they were rather surprised by the results: little or no net increase in CO2.
Their conclusion was that although we produce tons of CO2 we also absorb it back into our system: We are voracious consumers of forest wood(CO2
repositories) and most of its end uses locks up CO2 in a fairly permanent way(ie-houses). We also replant our forests--younger trees consume far more
CO2 than old growth does. We use prodigious amounts of fertilizers which enhance growth of crops which absorb CO2. We also waste prodigiously and
throw our cardboard, grass clippings, and paper products into landfills which generally are anaerobic--they don't decompose....ironically, people who
compost their greenwaste are re-releasing CO2 back into the atmosphere thru bacterial decomposition. And lastly, our eastern farmlands are gradually
becoming forested again do to the decline of small family farms--and those growing forests lock up CO2.
So, there is some truth to what David K says in regards to nature taking care of itself.....maybe I wouldn't be quite so cavalier about pushing the
buffering sytem too far though--even nature has its breaking point.
Also, I believe this experiment only tested CO2, not methane, and other potential greenhouse gases.
By the way, the scientists tested the air on the other continents as well--Africa's air was substantially richer in CO2, along with others. I believe
they attributed Africa's CO2 increase to rainforest slash and burn farming and its replacement with low yield crops. I think Asia was pretty bad
too....
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dbrooks
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Rational thought...
and arguments will get you nowhere here, mister!
I much prefer the flames!
POLLUTIPUBLICANS!!
Save the gay baby whales!
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Mexitron
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oops.....sorry, don't know what got in to me--get me a beer, quick!
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Bajabus
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Please it's pollutopublicans, I just coined the phrase so do me a personal favor and spell it right and add it to your dictionary.
I'm all for Mexitrons point of view. Nice and rational, no name calling. He has no argument from me.
despite some character assasination from the neocon pollutopublicans I'm a middle of the road kinda guy.
"Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked of such a thing."
Dwight David Eisenhower
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Margie
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The ultimate problem is overpopulation.
And now, I'm going to go make a smoothie.
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David K
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Of course Bajabus, I'm with you! We should all conserve! We sould all become conservatives!
Thanks Mexitron for using facts and evidence, you 'da man!
dbrooks, The communist connection is simply to illustrate how politicians will create hysteria to gain control over the people. Barbra Streisand,
Kerry, and other democrats are living in luxery while telling us to cut back our standard of living and choices in life. Just the same as the
communist party members had plenty to eat while the people starved. Communism died in 1989-1991 (except in China, North Korea, Vietnam and Cuba), and
just renamed it self as the Socialist and Green Party. They only demand the the U.S. change or the U.S. pay for everyone else to change (see Kyoto
Treaty).
I am just as concerned about pollution and wildlife habitat, and forests, as you. I just don't think that Americans lifestyle (the rest of the world
risks death to have) has to be radically changed.
Where the Ultra Left was in power (East Europe) the pollution was astronomical and death of forests was happening. In capitalist United States, our
forests are getting bigger, we have the highest pollution control standards, and we have more people working on pollution and enviromental issues than
anywhere... specially the leftist countries of the world.
You all are stuck on the 60's stereotype that big business is evil, run by Republicans, and will kill the earth.
Pull YOUR heads out of the sand and see what REALLY is helping the enviroment. It's not being destroyed by owning a Toyota 4Runner, either. Don't let
the one worlders make you feel guilty for finally getting what you have wanted for so long.
Live Long and Prosper
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Debra
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David,
I don't feel guilty, I'm a HAPPY HAPPY GIRL!
(and stop using the term "you all") 
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Bajabus
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DK.....don't get your hopes up it was just one study. There are many that suggest otherwise and remember it only measured co2. The point is there is
a middle ground and rather than pepper the discourse with words like envirowhacko and communist it would behoove us to stick to facts.
I do thank you for inspiring me to coin the term pollutopublican.
"Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked of such a thing."
Dwight David Eisenhower
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Bajabus
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>The Journal of Nature published a paper around 1999(I'm sorry I can't give the link because they won't let me into their archives) about an
experiment that was performed to test CO2 emissions.<
Mexitron I googled "The journal of nature" and cannot find any reference to the study you mention nor anything called The journal of Nature.
Do you have any links that would help me find the info you are mentioning?
Thanks
"Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked of such a thing."
Dwight David Eisenhower
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The Gull
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Steven Seagall
This string has all the elements of a Steven Seagall movie subplot, i.e. Commies, Eco-talk, generation X boytoys and politics.
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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Mexitron
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Bajabus--you can try nature.com which I think is their online version of the mag--there are all kinds of interesting articles regarding atmospheric
studies even if you can't find the one I read. Its really fascinating what this planet has been through in its history without even us to help it
out.
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Skeet/Loreto
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Suggestions for All!
Hey Bus! How about a Friendly Bet on the Election?
I just won a Bet with my Friend Randy Mac. for a Full dinner at the El Nido in Loreto.{Go Lightning}
I will bet you the same on the Election in Nov.
Just want to let YOUALL know that Christains are alive and Well in TEXAS.
Went to the "Ranch Hands Rodeo" in Amarillo and then to the "Cowboy Church" where I enjoyed Marty Haggard sing Gospels.Churches are growing by Leaps
and Bounds in Texas as well as Dos Palos. Calif.
We Christains are not going to let a bunch of Sinners take over the Presidency!
Skeet/Loreto
"In God I Trust"
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Bajabus
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Skeet you are on. Only I don't go to loretto very often so how about a straight $20.
The bet quite simply is "I bet you Bush will not be the next president"
"Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked of such a thing."
Dwight David Eisenhower
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David K
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Carefull Skeet
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Skeet you are on. Only I don't go to loretto very often so how about a straight $20.
The bet quite simply is "I bet you Bush will not be the next president" |
This is a trick bet... Bush won't be the 'next' president... He will remain the current president for 4 1/2 more years... After an amendment to the
constitution, ARNOLD will be the next president!!!
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Bajabus
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Ok $20 says bush won't get re-elected.
how's that for bet #1
side bet #2:
another $20 to you if he wins by more than 100 electoral votes
another $20 to me if he loses by more than 100 electoral votes
side bet #3
"$20 bucks he won't win the popular vote".
"Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked of such a thing."
Dwight David Eisenhower
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The Gull
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dbrooks
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Please...wake up old timer - communism is dead - didn't you read about it...in 1989!? Have you forgotten your hero, Ronnie Baby...
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I was fortunate enough to get to Simi Valley this week.
Were you interested in stating your respect for Mr. Reagan?
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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