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cantinflas
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Everybody has good days and bad days. Must be a sucky job IMHO. Just the facts sir.
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Bajahowodd
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Who among us wishes to be sent to secondary. Just common sense. Be courteous. The article was in a Canadian paper. I think the nutjob was looking for
his 15 minutes of fame.
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BajaGringo
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You are right, it is a sucky job at times. Most jobs in law enforcement can be. I have my son-in-law here with us right now and he is a deputy sheriff
serving on a gang enforcement unit in Kern County. I read the article to him and asked his opinion. He said a lot would have to do with what happened
leading up to asking the guy to turn off his car and the tone of the conversation.
He said that if the guy had not been cooperative up to that point it is somewhat understandable to a degree that the officer was in no mood to respond
to the guy's request for "please". If the guy had been cooperative up to that point then the officer was "stupid" in my son-in-laws terms to not have
just said "please" and proceed with the process.
My son-in-law also added that this happens from time to time in his job with subjects, including someone he has just chased down for five blocks,
jumping over fences and fighting to put cuffs on. He shared with me that after all that he would still say "please", if a suspect requested it if it
meant not having to fight with him to just lower his head and get into the back seat of the patrol car.
"A smart officer learns to be pragmatic", in his words.
Obviously not all in law enforcement have learned that lesson...
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lizard lips
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Just do what they say and get on with it, and goat, get a life a--hole.
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Bajahowodd
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I do think that goat is right up to a point. Folks that get into law enforcement are not rocket scientists or financial theoretitians, but too many
off them fail to understand the culture that they are policing, Academies should provide more real time training to their students.
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Hook
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I'd like to see this guy go through the new San Ignacio checkpoint. 
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Pompano
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Canadian Borders and The Mounties
edited out ..my post belongs in a far different thread theme. From my personal experiences with border enforcement people and issues, I would have to
make things up to be negative.
[Edited on 3-5-2009 by Pompano]
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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Cardon Man
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
The people that enter law enforcement are more often than not a-holes, that's why you should not trust law enforcement and avoid interacting with law
enforcement. One Canadian has learned this the hard way 
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That's a fact. A sad, unfortunate fact. Avoid "the man" at all costs. Your wallet will thank you.
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cardon Man
| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
The people that enter law enforcement are more often than not a-holes, that's why you should not trust law enforcement and avoid interacting with law
enforcement. One Canadian has learned this the hard way
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That's a fact. A sad, unfortunate fact. Avoid "the man" at all costs. Your wallet will thank you. |
Of course, this premise is silly, and simply not true.
But I agree that it never pays to "mess with the man"-----that is just common sense.
Barry
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toneart
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Sticking to a personal principle
is dumb when in conflict with Law Enforcement. You may be seething inside, but "da Man" got da gun...or pepperspray. Just do what you are ordered to
do or he/she could definitely turn you upside down.
Later, when you get away from the situation, you can b-tch all you want. Maybe even write a letter to the proper authorities. Although, in my opinion,
the guy crossing the border had a dubious principle under the circumstances.
As to the psychological makeup of Law Enforcement Officers, I will refrain from commenting. It takes a certain mindset. Just bear that in mind.
As for any border crossing, you are, in effect, stateless until the Officer decides to admit or repatriate you. Compliance is usually the expedient
way. 
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ELINVESTIG8R
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Postscript...If you decided to go the "Contempt-of-Cop" route they, the police, will find something to arrest you for. Usually they do not have to
look too far.
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
As to the psychological makeup of Law Enforcement Officers, I will refrain from commenting. It takes a certain mindset. Just bear that in mind.
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I agree with amost all of what both Tony and Elinvestor says.
For me, a career in LE enabled me to be outside, mainly making my own decisions, doing "good" (ie. something worthy), helping folks, it was
interesting and varied, and above all it was exciting--------in short, a great job!! Most all of my fellow LE folks felt similar, and as a supervisor
for many years I seldom encountered the cop that some of you describe. None the less, they do exist, for sure.
I loved my work, but don't miss it. Retired for 13 years now, and loving it totally!! 
Barry
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Mango
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This reminds me of the last time I crossed into the USA. The lady in front of me was honking her horn and cutting people off in line - all the while
with 4 young children in the car (Great role model, not!)
Anyways, she got sent to secondary and I thought it was awesome.
Then, I role up. Car load full of stuff. Good day sir, yes sir, no sir. The CBP guy commented on how he liked one of my paintings that was still
drying, I thanked him. He sent me on my way and I bid him a good day.
Moral to the story is you tend to get back what you put out.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mango
you tend to get back what you put out. |
I tried that line in high school......got nothing.
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nancyinpdx
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Mango
you tend to get back what you put out. |
I tried that line in high school......got nothing. |
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Bajahowodd
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What is with all those idiots changing lanes in the queue? In the end, every lane makes to the booth within a couple of minutes of each other.
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BajaDove
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Hook
What makes you think he'd get through San Ignacio? Wouldn't want to be behind him.
If its not where it is, its where it isn\'t.
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Timo1
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If it makes you feel any better
This idiot got his mug on Canadian television news networks and is the
laughing stock of at least our community if not Canada
What a bozo
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MrBillM
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Attitudes
Arrived Northbound at the Mexicali Eastern Crossing yesterday afternoon. Short line that would "usually" be about a 5-10 minute wait. HOWEVER, some
sort of stepped-up inspection was going on and the wait took 30 minutes. Lots of rifling through people's trunks and campers. Lots of papers being
inspected.
Arrived at the Kiosk with a smile and a "good afternoon". revceived the same. Handed over our two passports before being asked. Officer looked
into my camper shell FILLED with ice chests and boxes/bags. Asked what was in the Ice Chests and what else we were bringing back. Wished us a good
day.
Three minutes total.
Darned A-Holes.
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Skip_Mac
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Being friendly and cooperative is NO guarantee of reasonable treatment. Nor is un-threatening appearance.
Crossing the San Ysidro at 7pm a week ago, I was confronted in the line three cars back from the both, questions with less than no civility and
treated me like a criminal. Among other things, I was ordered to turn off my engine, hand one of the four officers the keys and stay in the car. An
officer held my drivers side door shut and asked me a bunch of meaningless questions, my job title, the name of the company I worked for, what was in
my car. FYI, I am an upper 50's white haired angle male, driving a newer Prius with California plates and a UCDavis license frame. They never asked
for ID or passport. My camping and fishing gear were all visible in the back. One officer demanded that I open the "secret compartment", and I told
him I didn't understand.
What worries me most, is that I was confined where I could not observe the car search. I am familiar with planted "evidence" issues and an very
uncomfortable being placed in a position where I cannot exercise my constitutional right to observe.
I have received much more courteous treatment from Oakland Cops after they shot up a peaceful picket line at the Oakland Harbor, with "Less Lethal
weapons". The cops behind the shock troops were actually behaving as human, humane beings.
Somehow it seems USA Constitutional rights do not apply within an undefined zone around the USA:Mexico border.
The border crossing back to the US was the only sour note in an otherwise wonderful vacation to BCS.
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