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I guess in those days, when drinking cold beer was mandatory while driving, we were off the road more than on.
Still would like to hear what DK has to say. I thought we had been through this here in the past.
Oh well.......... Can't remember everything.
Thanks for the research, Barry.
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that's what I get for repeating something I read here without confirming the info 
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Very interesting stuff-- the direction a thread can take reminds me of getting lost on iTunes. (Listeners Also Bought). I do appreciate the history
however - and would even enjoy sitting around a table at bajadocks, beer in hand, listening, learning and laughing to the many stories. I have had
the immense pleasure of sharing an amazing home-made meal with lamb, cooked (an uncooked) in various ways, while delighting in the many stories spoken
by another, older I suspect, "Baja fossil" who settled here from Lebenon. Including numerous of yearly excursions with buddies to the end and back -
in a Model A. I can not help but imagine these young explorers as I experience the navigation of roads/off roads/no roads/dunes/beaches/ all in a
very reliable and comfortable Toyota 4Wd Tundra - with my reliable man at the wheel... Like so much of what I can learn about this beautiful Baja and
her history-- I think it is maybe I was born too late... but each morning I wake up here, thankful I was born at all.
Thanks, gentlemen.
(I'll be responding to questions/comments by Terry28, k-rico and DENNIS a bit manana..)
“Love is an attempt at penetrating another being, but it can only succeed if the surrender is mutual.” ~ Octavio Paz
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NoShoesRequired
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by NoShoesRequired
Hi, Dennis - Yes, we are involved in some ejido lands-- But only in the right way.
Saludos
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Not trying to hold your shoeless feet to the fire but, in short, what is the right way? |
No worries, Dennis.
I've dangled my tired toes over a flaming fire or two.
In short, this question is answered here:
http://www.bajalandsolutions.com/FAQs.html
#2 under FAQ's of our website.
Let me know if I can help you understand it better.
As much as we love to get into the rough, a smooth understanding is much coveted here. ;-)
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by NoShoesRequired
Let me know if I can help you understand it better.
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No. That was fine. Thanks.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
Also, BTW, traditionally the REAL baja begins at El Rosario because that's where the pavement used to end. But that's a nitpick.
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This error has been put into print in a guidebook or two... Here are better facts:
Pavement didn't reach El Rosario until 1973...
Mama Espinoza, soon after the highway was built, made the famous quote: "Bad roads bring GOOD people... Good roads bring 'ALL KINDS' of people".
The highway was completed in November and inaugurated on Dec. 1. 1973.
When we made our summer trip in July, 1973, the pavement only reached the Mision San Fernando road, near El Progreso (about 40 miles from El
Rosario)... and started again (in sections) around Punta Prieta to Villa Jesus Maria.
I have a first edition Lower California Guidebook (c1956) and the pavement ended at Arroyo Seco, 4 miles north of Colonet/ 73 miles south of Ensenada.
In 1966, when we first drove to Cabo, it also ended there... and on return trips to San Antonio del Mar, west of Colonet the next couple of years...
it ended there.
In 1970, extending the pavement began... and it reached Camalu.
In 1972, it reached San Quintin.
The newest section of highway, all done in 1973... started at Km. 0, San Quintin, where you notice the highway goes to the skinny width of 19 feet
from the safer 22 or so feet before.
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In the southern territory, new highway construction speed was incredible.
In 1966, pavement began about 100 miles north of La Paz and ended just 10 miles south.
In 1970, pavement reached Cabo San Lucas and the new graded road reached Santa Rosalia with the section over the sierra still closed (Insurgentes to
Ligui).
In 1972, pavement reached Santa Rosalia, a new ferry route to Guaymas was started, and new road work towards San Ignacio was underway!
I believe the notion about the 'real Baja' starting at El Rosario is because it is at the end of the phone or telegraph line... the last town of any
size for a long ways... and most important... the BOOJUM TREES (Cirios) begin just south of there!
[Edited on 3-5-2009 by David K]
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NoShoesRequired
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
"Bad roads bring GOOD people... Good roads bring 'ALL KINDS' of people" - Mama Espinoza
This "" should be listed in the "Wise Women/ Wise Words" book - if there is one.. (if there isn't...I just may add it to my very long To Do list).
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Terry28
Shoeless,
I liked your site. I did not know there were so many new homes and sites developed in that area. We will be down to check it out in the future.
Any surf sites?? |
Hi, Terry28 - Always nice to hear someone likes the site - and that they looked at it! Thanks.
If you plan a trip down, let us know.. If you have an interest in properties, we are always game to help get you to them to have a look . Our favorite
'past time we call work' is taking clients to remote beach properties - feeding them lobster and clams, pitching the tents and hiking or driving/4W'in
miles upon miles of available Pacific Ocean coastline. Haven't had anyone bring a surf board yet, but there are definately some of the best (and one
very secret) surf breaks around. It has been told the surfers - once discovered - will strongly encourage you to never speak a word of this place...so
I'm not talking. .. Have you noticed San Martin Island, just off the coast of SQ? ;-) It's stunning - and can be seen in many of our property listing
pictures.
So, here are some reknown (and speakable) surf points in our area. We have available properties at all of these points. Take a look and look us up
when you venture down.
http://www.bajasurfbreaks.com/shipwrecks.asp http://www.bajasurfbreaks.com/cabo-san-quintin.asp
http://www.bajasurfbreaks.com/volcanoes.asp
http://www.bajasurfbreaks.com/seven-sisters.asp
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"remote beach properties - feeding them lobster and clams, pitching the tents and hiking or driving/4W'in miles upon miles of available Pacific Ocean
coastline"
This is exactly Baja CA's highest and best use. Real Estate pimps should realize that and stop trying to exploit The Baja for their personal gain.
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Mexicali_Kid
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I like it in the fake Baja. You can keep the real one.
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FWIW my Gerhard and Gulick book says in 1961 the pavement went to 72 miles south of Ensenada.
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I did Punta San Carlos which is 40 miles below El Rosario in 63 an I don,t remember anything 
Rob
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I have 30 hectares available for sale in San Quintin.
Carlos
(619) 215-4422
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Osprey
FWIW my Gerhard and Gulick book says in 1961 the pavement went to 72 miles south of Ensenada. |
I may have 'rouded-up'...
"I have a first edition Lower California Guidebook (c1956) and the pavement ended at Arroyo Seco, 4 miles north of Colonet/ 73 miles south of
Ensenada. In 1966, when we first drove to Cabo, it also ended there... and on return trips to San Antonio del Mar, west of Colonet the next couple of
years... it ended there."
I have seen a few 'articles' that keep saying El Rosario was at the end of the pavement... It never was, except maybe for a week as they were rapidly
paveing south the year it reached there and was completed.
El Rosario was the 'frontier' town because it was the last place to get gas from a pump, buy groceries, etc. Also it was the end of the phone line/
telegraph line... and still is.
The road beyond El Rosario was not graded/ government maintained... just a single lane or a pair of deep ruts through the desert... Until one reached
San Ignacio to Mulege. South of Mulege, once again you were on unimproved, hand made roads until you were between Comondu and Santo Domingo.
[Edited on 6-9-2010 by David K]
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In December 1950 the road ended at the movie house which was near Hussongs --which was standing all alone on a dirt road.
sdm
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Back to the sales pitch.... Of what I can see those prices are cheap! I've got a 3/4+ acre (3445sq.m.) waterfront lot in Punta Chivato and the going
price WAS $110/ sq. M. Over $300k. Now I'd be lucky to get half that.
[Edited on 6-9-2010 by Russ]
Bahia Concepcion where life starts...given a chance!
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Hey, this old thread is interesting. Got me to thinkin' about my early travels down this way. Maybe I could qualify as one of those Baja Fossils. One
of my early trips (BTP - before the pavement). I just walked across the border and kept going til I got to San Lucas. My female companion got blisters
on her feet so I had to carry her from about Colonia Vicente (which then was just one shack). Water was way too heavy to take along when hiking and
all there was available way back then was the freeze dried powdered water we filled all our pockets with. A big lizard took up with us at GN but we
were slowing him down and when we hit Santa Rosalia he was already there on the beach, had built a tiny palapa down there.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wilderone
"remote beach properties - feeding them lobster and clams, pitching the tents and hiking or driving/4W'in miles upon miles of available Pacific Ocean
coastline"
This is exactly Baja CA's highest and best use. Real Estate pimps should realize that and stop trying to exploit The Baja for their personal gain.
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ditto's.. now if I can only get my wife to agree to live in a tent.. 
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Oops, almost forgot how this thread began. When I was walkin' down to Cabo I saw a lot of signs near the beach for land for sale even way back then.
The guy (or his agent -- I don't know which) had his name up on all the signs and he must have owned a ton of land. Funny name -- I think it was
Gratis.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by baitcast
I did Punta San Carlos which is 40 miles below El Rosario in 63 an I don,t remember anything
Rob |
thanks Rob.. thats the way I remember it too..
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