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BajaNuts
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Until Americans, and other nations included, consumers realize that they don't NEEEED a Mazarati to get from point A to Point B.....or they don't
NEEEED a "super-hot-designer-handbag" to hold their credit card and (other personal stufffff)...........
Ya need a vehicle, great. There are speed limits so what's the point of having a Mazarati in the USA other than bragging rights? Well, imho, if
someone needs a STATUS symbol, they are lacking in a few other areas.
The "Live Local" philosophy seems to be a little out of place on the Nomads forum. On the small scale, it makes tons of sense.
And how much power do you really think the Prez has? There are MANY more influential people in the world business area that call the shots. The Prez
is a good face-man and is great for rallying the troups. And when rallied, the troups are a force to be reconned with.
Global standard of living........Thanks 'gringo, I haven't heard that before, it deserves consideration.......
[Edited on 3-7-2009 by BajaNuts]
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
Have any of you guys got the feeling that now everything runs on fear?
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Is that what you see on the faces of those as they walk into your restaurant?
Maybe a Lomotíl Parfaít for desert..... |
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oldlady
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State of Fear....novel by Michael Crichton. Not a bad read and speaks to the issue in an interesting way.
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Russ
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I know I'm simple minded but, if all those hundreds of millions of dollars were given to the people instead of huge businesses won't we spend it and
stimulate the economic growth?
Edit:
Oh, and back to the thread title. I would think that with some money in your pocket the fear of the future would be less and maybe a few "good" new
reports would be seen in the media.
[Edited on 3-7-2009 by Russ]
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Hook
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Sorry, but the people who overextended themselves, from Wall Street to Main Street, hopefully will get what they deserve. Americans couldn't continue
living the way television was telling them to live. Their wallets cant take it and the planet cant take it.
Problem is, in all this bailout talk for these folks, I dont see the bigger message that YOU CANT LIVE BEYOND YOUR MEANS being talked about by the
gov't. Instead it's, bail 'em out and that sends just the opposite message about personal responsibility. Instead it's, let's spend billions more,
trying to fix something that overspending created in the first place. I'm with Rick Santelli on this one.
I just about publicly castigated someone on one of our local discussion boards who was casting a net for gringo mentors for underprivileged Mexican
kids. WHAT??? YOU WANT THEM TO LEARN ABOUT LIFE FROM US???
Then my common sense returned and I avoided ridiculing someone who is just trying to help the world be a better place.
The fear is there. You can feel it most acutely in persons nearing or in retirement. Too many people relied on ever-increasing housing values to fuel
their retirement. Quite honestly, it played a big role in my decision to retire at 55. We just got out well before the bottom (wherever THAT ends up)
and hadn't refi-ed up to the value of our home. My mutual funds are down about 40% from their highs...........but we have no debt. We'll make it.
[Edited on 3-7-2009 by Hook]
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dianaji
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Jesse,
Thank you for your positive thoughts.
"What you think upon grows. Whatever you allow to occupy your mind
you magnify in your life. Whether the subject of your thought be good
or bad, the law works and the condition grows. Any subject that you
keep out of your mind tends to diminish in your life, because what
you do not use atrophies. The more you think of grievances, the more
such trials you will continue to receive; the more you think of the
good fortune you have had, the more good fortune will come to you."
--Emmet Fox from Make Your Life Worthwhile, 1942
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Skeet/Loreto
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Jesse: A very timely Post. FEAR!
Several of my past Post have ask the Question as you Have. I can tell you what brings on that fear:
First "Poor Parenting""
Second Poor Goverment Programs that take care of people and Business that should take care of Themselves.
Third; Schools not teaching Children that it is O>K> to Fight for what you beleive in!!!
There are many others if one is to place "Blame", Not I !
Since I was born in 31 I have some memory of the Depression and I think that when we get to the depression Level that it just might teach a Generation
of Younsters that it is O>K> to learn to be Competative, to SAVE some of their money for the Future, and that some peoples lives are worth
saving instead of buying a new Car of House!!
Question for Bajagingo
"Who is the Standard for the Global??
Africa
Thailand
United States
China??
Jessee- Never Fear, there are still some of us left who will Defend this Great Country if Necessary and When Necessary.
Skeet
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Osprey
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Gringo, what do you think sensible tort reform could do for the good ole U.S. of A.? Ain't gonna happen until we fill the Congress with farmers and
tinkers and get rid of all the lawyers but if you chase the dollars down see what our current laws are costing us vis a vis health care, cars and
highways, product liability, entreprenuership, etc.
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Hook
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| Quote: | Originally posted by dianaji
Jesse,
Thank you for your positive thoughts.
"What you think upon grows. Whatever you allow to occupy your mind
you magnify in your life. Whether the subject of your thought be good
or bad, the law works and the condition grows. Any subject that you
keep out of your mind tends to diminish in your life, because what
you do not use atrophies. The more you think of grievances, the more
such trials you will continue to receive; the more you think of the
good fortune you have had, the more good fortune will come to you."
--Emmet Fox from Make Your Life Worthwhile, 1942 |
I'm sure all the house flippers and loan sharks had "positive" thoughts at one time, too. They had visions of "good fortunes".
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Jack Swords
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Thankyou Diana for the quotation. I have always believed that. Well, here in the central coast folks are hurting. Empty stores, new ones closing
monthly. The news is all bad. Yet, yesterday's trip to the store for some tomato plants found full parking lots, people carrying bags of purchases,
lots of traffic. I would expect empty lots and vacant roads based upon CNN and MSNBC news. Saw a new Toyota drive off the dealer's lot. Local Honda
dealer reports the best month ever! He now services and sells all models of cars, lowered price on oil change to $19.95, did other price adjustments.
Good for him!
Time will tell. As usual it will not be as bad or as good as all the news predict. In a few days massive teacher layoffs begin in CA (and other
states). Gotta keep the thought of Spring coming in 3 weeks... Thanks again Diana.
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vandenberg
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
That is what it's leading up to if something miraculous doesn't take place.
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The miracle is in the White House. 
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vandenberg
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
That is what it's leading up to if something miraculous doesn't take place.
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The miracle is in the White House. |
Oh yah... r-i-g-h-t 
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vandenberg
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New at Amazon:
"The miracle on 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue"
by " The Messiah"
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Oso
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"According to a new study, people are sleeping less because they're worried about the economy. I think also it might have something to do with the
fact they're sleeping under bridges." -- Craig Ferguson
"One in 10 Californians are now unemployed. Unfortunately, Arnold Schwarzenegger isn't one of them." -- Craig Ferguson
"Was it nice outside today or not? Yeah! Sunny. I thought it was a very sunny day. I'm driving to work today and I saw a foreclosure sign with an
awning." -- David Letterman
"Beautiful day. It was so sunny, as a matter of fact, down on Wall Street, the stockbrokers were applying sunscreen before they jumped." -- David
Letterman
"But do you know anything about the Dow Jones, ladies and gentlemen? The Dow Jones average went down to 6,000. Do you know what that means? Neither do
I, but it's the first time in 12 years that the Dow has been the same as Rush Limbaugh's cholesterol." -- David Letterman
All my childhood I wanted to be older. Now I\'m older and this chitn sucks.
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Ford
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There is a good article in newsweek about this very point of fear. The writter points out that it is very common swing from very "seemingly" good
times to very bad times. He points out how we go from banks lending any amount of money to anyone to the banks loaning no amount of money to anyone!
On the other point of fear....I have had at least 4 or 5 people ask me "have you heard about what is going on in Mexico?" Aren't you scared you might
lose your property down there? Are you really going to ever visit again?
I point out that this has been going on for many many years at the border towns. But the reason it seems worse now is the Mexican Government has said
to the cartels "enough, we are taking back our country" and they are fighting back!
I don't even know if that is totally true, but it shuts them up a little!
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Hook
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Actually, it's worse than that. It's gone from banks lending money to ANYONE to the taxpayer loaning money to the banks.
Some things are too insolvent to stay afloat. It's like chasing stage IV pancreatic cancer...........with your children's inheritance.
Some things are not meant to be.
Housing prices got too high. They need to correct, not be propped up artificially. It's already reaching correctable levels in the CA, where sales are
humming as people see perceived bargains for the first time in a long time.
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BajaGringo
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I agree with many of the points in this thread in dealing with abuses and shortcomings of Wall Street, banking, mortgage lending, education and the
population itself that has used credit to live beyond their means. I also think that part of the fault lies in that we were programmed from childhood
to believe in the "American Dream". That every generation would be better off than the one before, able to live the lifestyle portrayed by so many
black and white TV shows of the 50's. That real estate would never stop increasing in value. In the second half of the last century that model of the
"American Dream" began to be remolded into "Keeping Up with the Joneses" with the onslaught of TV programming and advertising campaigns targeted at
pushing that new forming model. I remember as a small boy walking into a Sears and Roebuck store with my mom they would offer us a revolving charge
card. I wanted my mom to get one just to see how it "revolved".
That increased use of credit was what fueled the US economic expansion in the second half of the last century. The economy grew as well as the size of
government, fueled by increased tax revenues based on real estate and construction booms and whatever else they could figure out how to regulate. We
have learned that there are limits to everything and now the bill has come due. If the US lived in a bubble I suppose there would be a chance of
applying enough band-aids to the economy to prop it up again. The problem is that we don't. Going to a global economy, business has learned that you
can grow sales by extending your markets beyond your borders. You can increase your bottom line by moving your manufacturing centers to third world
countries with the lowest wages, start up costs and lowest net cost of doing business. With instant access to data and information via the Internet
today that evolving business model is accelerating.
Many former "American" companies have become international corporations with no flag or allegiance to the US beyond wanting to sell its products to
the US consumers who would take out a second mortgage on their home just to pay off all of their credit card debt so they could go out and do it all
over again.
Taking an honest look at the US economy, I see no real hope for its future as it is today. I know that upsets many of you to hear that. It upsets me
too. I worry about what awaits my kids and grandkids. But just wanting it to be like we had it because we believe in "American ingenuity" and
"American values" won't do it today folks. With the current cost of business now we can no longer compete on the global market. Remember the outrage
of labor unions over the NAFTA deal and the outsourcing of jobs to Mexico? What does it tell you that many of those same jobs have now left Mexico for
China? It's all part of that global economy model.
What has me very concerned now is that China is closing factories and sending nearly a hundred million back home out to the rice paddy as the US can
no longer buy enough to fund the Chinese expansion. Why does that worry me? They also hold a few trillion in treasury bonds used to fund the expansion
of the US government, the war in Iraq, bailouts and beyond. As China needs to generate cash, what do you think they will do with those notes they
hold? Why do you think Hillary was there a week or so ago?
Going to a global economy means going to a global standard of living. It is like water and although it may create waves and troughs in a storm, it
will eventually reach its mean level. That includes the value of real estate, raw materials and human labor. With billions of people in the world
working for less than ten dollars a day, and many for less than a dollar means that the mean level of values/wages will certainly drag down the US. I
cannot envision any way it cannot. It will not be pretty.
Many in the US have cited the illegal immigration issue as a source of the current problem. Look around the globe - the problem with immigration is
happening in many regions of this planet. It is not the problem but a symptom of the larger and real problem/reality - a global economy.
I am no economist. I would never be confused with any of the great thinkers out there but I have some God given common sense. I have been blessed to
have traveled, lived and worked on several continents of this planet throughout my life and perhaps that added perspective has helped me to see this
coming for a long time. I still hope that I am wrong but my gut keeps telling me that I am not.
Fear? It’s a basic human reaction to the unknown. I can understand that reaction…
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Paula
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by Oso
"According to a new study, people are sleeping less because they're worried about the economy. I think also it might have something to do with the
fact they're sleeping under bridges." -- Craig Ferguson
"One in 10 Californians are now unemployed. Unfortunately, Arnold Schwarzenegger isn't one of them." -- Craig Ferguson
"Was it nice outside today or not? Yeah! Sunny. I thought it was a very sunny day. I'm driving to work today and I saw a foreclosure sign with an
awning." -- David Letterman
"Beautiful day. It was so sunny, as a matter of fact, down on Wall Street, the stockbrokers were applying sunscreen before they jumped." -- David
Letterman
"But do you know anything about the Dow Jones, ladies and gentlemen? The Dow Jones average went down to 6,000. Do you know what that means? Neither do
I, but it's the first time in 12 years that the Dow has been the same as Rush Limbaugh's cholesterol." -- David Letterman |
Jokes are no help... neither is blaming the ones in charge: Obama, Bush, Arnold... they don't control the money... CONGRESS DOES!
Congress changed hands TWO years ago, and that is why things slipped to where it is now.... (forcing banks to loan money to anyone). Of course, Obama
was part of that new congress 2 years ago... he worked ONLY a hundred and some days as a senetor... then ran for president... HUH?
The question is can we last 2 more years until we throw these big spending bums out?
Yes, I agree that congress changed hands because the previous group didn't hold true to their principles and spent money like the other party....
So we went from bad to worse... Well, lets pray that the first group learned their lesson and gets back to their principles and we can hold on for 2
years with this current group!
My biggest fear is that these nuts in power will kill the American dream, and then launch us into a war or some disaster to keep their grab on
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Let's pray not... |
David, George Bush hadn't much training for the job of president when he was elected either. And some people might say that the American dream died
under his watch, and that we entered into an unjustified war that has cost countless lives on both sides and ruined our economy, perhaps with the
motivation of keeping us afraid and compliant.
But maybe we should move on from our set ways of thinking and just hope for the best for this country and for the entire world and all of it's
people. After what has happened in the last 8 years, 6 of them under Republican control of congress, I don't understand why conservatives can't be at
least hopeful for better times ahead under a new administration. It almost seems as if what matters most to to some is that THEIR SIDE fix things,
not that things get fixed. And I hope that when/if things DO improve, this group will be able to recognize the improvement, and enjoy better times.
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The Gull
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| Quote: | Originally posted by djh
| Quote: | Originally posted by The Gull
Fear - The fuel that Democrats run on. |
Doesn't that type of posting / comment go in the "OFF TOPIC" or "POLITICAL" area...?
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Well, well another Board Monitor candidate. You apparently missed your calling or you missed reading dozens of other posts on this thread and others
which deal with politics. The real issue here is that YOU DON'T AGREE WITH ME and therefore you want it silenced.
Spend some quality time fixing your avatar.
Now here is the required Dog Photo for a good Nomad posting.... the No Fear Dog
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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Skeet/Loreto
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Paula: Again you Post words that have on meaing, blaming George Bush and the War for our failed economy!
Com on Paula, the economy was riuned by a buch of Greedy people who could not be satisfied with One Car, a smaller House, another Gameboy for their
Spoiled Rotten Kids who have been taught "Fear" so that they can be controlled when they grow up, all with huge Tatoos, rings in their Tongues, Meth
in their Minds, with absoulety no SENSE at All !!
Let us go Forward to a Life with out blaming others for our own Shortcomings.
As ole FDR said"We have nothing to Fear, except Fear itself'!!!
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