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Dave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
With the exception of the Israeli fencing off of Gaza, there is really no place in the world that has become as fortified as ours with Mexico.
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How about the 38th parallel? Or China's, Russia's border?
There is really no comparison with the U.S. and any of these States. They defend their borders. Mostly shoot to
kill. The U.S. pats you on the back and sends you home to try again.
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Mango
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody in ob
whatever happened to napalm? i've heard it smells particularly pleasant...... |
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Dang, beat me to it. Too bad the updraft ruins the surf break though!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oldlady
I have little to no faith in our government. My point was that this is not another version of the dioxin laden Agent Orange. However, if there is
something significantly wrong with this stuff, where have all the environmental activists been on the issue for the last 20 years that it has been
commonly used?
Several of you know a lot more about enviornmental chemistry than I do. Doesn't it strike you as peculiar that only now, when it is going to be used
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Of course you're right oldlady, and I didn't mean to imply that you actually have faith in our government (I'm an old lady myself). I do have to
wonder where the environmental activists have been on this, since it appears from the literature I've been looking at that little research has
actually been done on the long term effects of using I'm A Zapper (gawd, now I'm never going to be able to think of it as anything else, thanks a lot
motoged  )
I see where a lawsuit was filed against Humboldt County and the state of California in 2007 "for not allowing adequate public input before using toxic
sprays on the Eel River to eradicate invasive weeds."
This article said: "Imazapyr (trade name Habitat) was only approved for aquatic applications in California a year ago. Imazapyr is a non-selective
herbicide and therefore likely to kill many untargeted plant species, which would further impact the ecology of the region. In humans, imazapyr is an
irritant and causes rashes, swelling and redness of the skin and eyes. It also breakdowns (sic) slowly and is very persistent in soil and water. The
U.S. Geological Survey says little is known about how the chemical moves through surface or ground water."
http://www.beyondpesticides.org/dailynewsblog/?p=190
My point is, since the chemical companies and our guv'mint can't be trusted to look out for our health and the health of the planet, maybe we
shouldn't be using toxic chemicals when no one seems to know what the long term effects of them are.
Let's see, how long did it take for us all to learn that asbestos (which seemed like a good product at the time) causes cancer?  I also wonder how many other products there are out there that have been in
routine use, and which we will only find out about when something happens to bring it to the attention of the general public?
Guess I'm just getting cynical in my old age. Sigh.
[Edited on 3-26-2009 by tigerdog]
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oldlady
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Careful with the phrasing, tigerdog, ain't anything wrong with a healthy dose of cynicism.
I like the idea of whacking it down and digging it up; but someone will chastise me for endagering some inscet by destroying their habitat.
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MrBillM
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A Burning Issue
Personally, I think the Napalm idea has some merit.
Quick, effective and entertaining.
All we are asking is Give it a chance.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oldlady
Careful with the phrasing, tigerdog, ain't anything wrong with a healthy dose of cynicism.
I like the idea of whacking it down and digging it up; but someone will chastise me for endagering some inscet by destroying their habitat.
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Me agrees with ye
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BajaBruno
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The article K-Rico linked to is not science, it is hyperbole. It is an entirely unsubstantiated article with no references that was written by a
rabid anti-chemical group based on another article which is much more balanced. The source article is here: http://www.pesticide.org/imazapyr.pdf
While the article I linked is also written by an anti-chemical group and should be evaluated accordingly, it is at least referenced and the references
can be checked for accuracy.
Dear Old Lady is correct, in my opinion, that responsible environmentalists have been much more active in monitoring chemical testing and limiting the
uses of the more problematic toxins. The fact of modern society is that we need chemicals, unless we want to return to the lifestyle of the
Nineteenth Century. Some may be OK with that, but then, you'd have to turn off your computer, wouldn't you?
Christopher Bruno, Elk Grove, CA.
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