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805gregg
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In these days of GPS, I don't think running into the only rock around is bad luck, more like bad seamanship. If you lose your boat 1/2 of the way down
Baja, you might want to opt for another mode of transportation.
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stanburn
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805Greg,
You obviously haven't looked at any nautical charts of the Mexican coast. Unless it is a major ports the surveys the charts are drawn from are from
the 1700s and 1800s. Before I moved ashore I cruised 2 full years, including hurricane season and spent about half of the time anchored up to 2 miles
inshore according to the GPS and my electronic charts. So the likelihood of being able to establish the location of a pinnacle rock from a chart is
so miniscule it is beyond belief.
Now you can apologize to these people who are suffering even more due to your ignorant comment.
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shari
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thanks stan...ditto that. I just got these photos of the Gabriel...so sad
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Diver
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Glad to see they were able to save so much.
Gotta be a good local fiberglass guy around ??
I KNOW there is someone close who can figure out how to get her in the water again.
Mexican mechanics are VERY creative !!
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rts551
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That night and until she left the military and the coop stood guard on the boat... for those that thought there were scafengers around. I have lots
of photos.
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shari
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does that mean they abandoned their watch after she left??? she only left to get help and came back today.
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805gregg
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| Quote: | Originally posted by stanburn
805Greg,
You obviously haven't looked at any nautical charts of the Mexican coast. Unless it is a major ports the surveys the charts are drawn from are from
the 1700s and 1800s. Before I moved ashore I cruised 2 full years, including hurricane season and spent about half of the time anchored up to 2 miles
inshore according to the GPS and my electronic charts. So the likelihood of being able to establish the location of a pinnacle rock from a chart is
so miniscule it is beyond belief.
Now you can apologize to these people who are suffering even more due to your ignorant comment. |
I crossed the Pacific ocean from Ca to New Zealand in 1978, fished commerically up and down the Ca, Or. and Wa coasts in the early 70's and just
brought a boat from Ca to Cabo in Sept. Been boating since since 1965 never hit anything, currently own a 38' sail boat and 26' power boat, I guess
I'm just lucky.
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stanburn
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I highly recommend you take a look at the survey dates the charts were based on. And yes you might have been lucky.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jdtrotter
What about the fishing coop in Abreojos? |
| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
yes, I spoke to them this morning but they dont know the gringo numbers and forgive me for this but...many people will just be out there to see what
they can scavenge for themselves...which is why I wanted friends of ours out there in hopes she might get some stuff back...very sad.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
That night and until she left the military and the coop stood guard on the boat... for those that thought there were scafengers around. I have lots
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Good to know that the coop people were there to help.
Diane
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longlegsinlapaz
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
yes, I spoke to them this morning but they dont know the gringo numbers and forgive me for this but...many people will just be out there to see what
they can scavenge for themselves...which is why I wanted friends of ours out there in hopes she might get some stuff back...very sad.
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Shari, not a positive sounding commentary! You made it sound like you don't trust the members of the local
fishing coop...isn't Juan a member of the coop? Aren't the coop people friends & members of your local community?
I'm sincerely glad both Sarah & Peter made it safely to shore & hope she can recover all the vital things. From your comments, I take it she
didn't carry insurance on the boat??
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djh
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RIGHT ON !
| Quote: | Originally posted by Diver
Glad to see they were able to save so much.
Gotta be a good local fiberglass guy around ??
I KNOW there is someone close who can figure out how to get her in the water again.
Mexican mechanics are VERY creative !! |
Totally agree here !
I've been sailing for 30+ years. And I worked in the biz for a few years too...
That sailboat CAN be fixed, and may be their best and most cost effective option to getting back on the water and pursuing their passion. If not in
the immediate area there, I'm sure there are experienced repairmen within a day's drive who would love the work and the challenge.
Don't abandon ship yet !
Good luck.
djh
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Dave
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You really can't know that without seeing the boat
| Quote: | Originally posted by djh
That sailboat CAN be fixed, and may be their best and most cost effective option to getting back on the water and pursuing their passion.
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Down here, you improvise...
1998..32' Trimaran Quetzal ( a Brown design) drug anchor during fierce chubasco and holed herself on rocky beach at Escondido in Conception Bay.
Crew: skipper Johnny Tequila and first mate Cindy.
Temporary fix afloat with rotating crews manning pumps, while JT installs a temp. plate... then beach hauled for complete repairs, including
fiberglassing, struts, etc. Total time for repairs...who was counting days?..we just had fun doing it. Let's just say there were lots of
beachfires and songfests.
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Unfortunately no such repairs were possible on this sailboat wreck at Pta. Terasa just a couple years ago. Pretty much a dead loss except for
some salvaging.
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We hope that is not the case with the sailboat at Abrejos. It appears to have suffered little damage considering the circumstances.
[Edited on 4-3-2009 by Pompano]
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shari
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uh...well...see for yourself....here is a link to todays photos that sarah took...she was so bummed that she didnt just stay a teeny bit more to port
and beached her on soft sand.
http://s385.photobucket.com/albums/oo295/blowhole1/gabriel/?...
oh by the way, I didnt mean that the coop guys will be scavenging at all...it's just we all know and have seen the number of folks that scavenge on
wrecks everywhere...it's very common. The kind people of Abreojos did a fantastic job of responding to this emergency and looked after things as best
they could. Chelo was fantastic organizing things and we thank her especially.[Edited on 4-3-2009 by shari]
[Edited on 4-3-2009 by shari]
[Edited on 4-3-2009 by shari]
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Pompano
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After thsoe views, it is a disaster! From the other photo it looked not nearly so bad. My sympathies to Sarah.
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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Diver
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WOW, looks like she rolled in the high tide and waves last night, bummer !
No fixing that mess now....without a shipyard and $100K.
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shari
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Sarah also wants to extend her thanks to richard of Abreojos for helping so much and being a good guy...she may take you up on that lift.
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i guess "open your eyes" and gps wasnt applied hear.
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shari
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There were 3 boats travelling together and the other 2 MEN were very protective of her and helping her along which was nice. HOWEVER...a common error
for novices is to take the advice of seasoned sailors. The morning of their departure, the man charted their course that were all to follow and read
it out to Sarah to write down...i heard the radio transmission about the straight shot...one course all the way to Sta.Maria. He was kind of the
leader of the pack type guy and a navy man so Sarah followed his directions. She has a GPS and claims she was on course...she had fallen behind
because they hove to and slept a couple hours.
My point is there is lots of blame going around but that course took them too close to that distant rock...yes sarah should have checked the charts to
see that the navy man's course was OK...but she trusted his knowledge. ooops. If it had just been the one rock they hit, the boat could have been
repaired but it was night and when you are nearly sunk...well you just want to get yourselves to shore...ni modo that it happened in a very rocky bit
of coastline.
Another beef I have is the buddy boat system where your buddies arent monitering the radio....especially at night when crap can go down. Had they been
together more, perhaps they could have assisted and guided her into a safe place to beach.
woulda shoulda coulda...but destiny calls and sh*t happens...we may never know why but this girl is one helluva woman...my respects.
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Bob H
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Oh, Wow, what an ordeal. I'm just glad there were no injuries, etc. The photos are just unbelievable.
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