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Bajahowodd
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I find it interesting that at the meeting in Mexico City, Calderone's two biggest requests of Obama were to reinstitute the assault weapons ban and to
re-visit the cross-border trucking issue. We are seemingly willing to provide huge amounts of money and are ramping up our own border security, and
all he wants are those two small things.
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MrBillM
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TWO ?
WOW. That's an impressive statistical data base.
Close enough for Government and Liberal work, I suppose.
Using a polling pool of that size, I think we can probably prove any point desired.
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Dave
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Why wouldn't you?
| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaDove
You loose it you better report it. |
I personally know of several guns in Baja that were reported stolen...
By their current owners. 
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BajaDove
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If you're conservative I'm sure you know all about rigging polls, MrBillM. Love your dog.
I only know of one stolen gun in Baja but I'm sure there are many.
If its not where it is, its where it isn\'t.
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Bajahowodd
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If? Reactionary comes to mind.
[Edited on 4-18-2009 by Bajahowodd]
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Paladin
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""Guns should be registered with a ballistics report and every owner should be held responsible for its use. You loose it you better report it. Why
should guns be more privileged than cars? """
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Darn good question buddy.
Read the 2nd Amendment and the Heller decision.
The answer is very clear.
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bajalou
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When I grew up, it was not uncommon to bring guns to school, in the car to go hunting or just plinking before or after school. Half of the kids (boys
and girls) belonged to the gun club and learned to shoot and care for guns. This town-school was not out of the ordinary. Never heard of a incident
of someone using a gun for something like Columbine. The punishment for crimes was believed to be sure and quick.
I don't think Switzerland is a third rate contry, but it has required all citizens to be armed.
The knowledge that the victim might be armed is a great deterrent to crime.
"Owning guns does not ensure freedom. Especially if those guns are anonymous."
The framers of the Constitution and Declaration of Independence felt protection from the government was as important as from any foreign nation.
(Jefferson and Webster)
It's pretty obvious when we forget history, we repeat it. (Look at the banking de-regulation for proof of this)
It is very simplistic to think that removing guns (or registering guns) of private citizens will reduce crime. Australia is proving the fallacy of
this thinking right now.
No Bad Days
\"Never argue with an idiot. People watching may not be able to tell the difference\"
\"The trouble with doing nothing is - how do I know when I\'m done?\"
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And in the San Felipe area - check out Valle Chico area |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by SteveD
We live in Long Beach, California. A couple of months ago there was a gang shooting at a flower store by a cemetary about 4 blocks from our house.
Yesterday there was a shooting (3 dead) at Long Beach Memorial Hospital, where my wife works. Im glad we will be driving to Baja for a week this
Sunday so I can feel safe. |
Your delusional, Baja safer, your going to travel through TJ where eight headless bodies were dumped next to an elementary school, past Rosarito Beach
where a cop was beheaded this week, past El Sauzal where 19 people men women and children were exicuted, past Cuarto Cases where a surfer was robbed
and his girl friend was raped while he watched, past El Rosario where 2 gringos were bludgeoned to death in their sleeping bags, and recently a
shootout at a restruant killed incocent bystanders, then through Mulege where a family was plane jacked at gun point, then past San Nicolas wher an
old gringo was stabbed to death so hard it broke 2 ribs, on to Loreto where last week 2 gringos were car jacked at gun point . Maybe you continue on
to Cabo where I saw Mexicanos smoking crack right on the malecon in Sept. Are you feeling safer yet? I always feel different when I cross the border
into Baja, but safer, no not really, no police support means criminals don't get caught, so whats to stop them. I love going to Baja but after 43
years I watch my a$$ when south, and I am safer in my own little town. Have a good trip, and Long Beach is not a safe town, hasn't been for years.
[Edited on 4-19-2009 by 805gregg]
[Edited on 4-19-2009 by 805gregg]
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MrBillM
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Dove Logic
"I only know of one stolen gun in Baja but I'm sure there are many".
OK, I only know of a few dumb things you've said, but (applying Dove reason), I'm SURE there are many.
But, then I'm supposed (today) to be a "Reactionary". So far, Odd has used that twice.
I'm shaking at the gravity of such an Insult. It may keep me awake tonight.
Remember.
Just because you're Paranoid doesn't mean people aren't out to get you.
Anyone who thinks that we're being Paranoid should listen to what UpChuck Shumer wants to do with Firearms legislation.
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Bajahowodd
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Gregg wants to take incidents that occurred over many months, perhaps even years and seamlessly put them together like they all happened yesterday.
And I still want to know who needs an assault weapon in their garage or car.
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MrBillM
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Devices and Desires
Need is NOT the point and should not be determined by others absent proof of some danger to others by THAT Individual.
There are NO statistics that indicate the LEGAL ownership of an Assault Rifle contributes significantly to ANY incidence of crime.
Of Course, there are very FEW Assault Rifles Legally-Owned in the U.S. and the cost of owning one is substantial due to the price and paperwork of a
Federal Class III license. In many states, it isn't even possible. California is one.
That's BECAUSE one defined attribute of an Assault Weapon is the capability for Full-Auto Fire. There are a lot of Rifles around that "Resemble" an
Assault Rifle, but are not. The Assault weapons BAN basically outlawed so-called "UGLY" weapons that had characteristics resembling Assault Rifles
such as a Handgrip, Folding Stock, Flash-Hider, Muzzle-Break, etc. and the whole debate was filled with ignorance and misinformation. A Flash-Hider,
for instance, was decried by the Shumer-Feinstein cabal as allowing a shooter to fire from a hidden position without detection. In reality, the
purpose of a Flash-Hider is to hide it from the SHOOTER.
Although MOST people won't even discuss it on the "We'll be Next" theory, there are many rifles that will do everything the so-called Assault Rifles
will do that DON'T have that resemblence. My favorite, the Ruger Mini-14, is probably the best example. It "Looks" like a "Normal" rifle, But fires
the same round as the M-16 (or the AK-47 in one version) and hanles better, at least for a Left-Hander like me.
BTW, all of this talk about the "HIGH-POWER" Assault Rifles is nonsense. One attribute of said, is that it is chambered in a "Moderate" round so
that it is easily fired off-the-shoulder. A good old .30-06 round will go places no .556 or 7.62x39 will .
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Paladin
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The Heller decision was the result of 5 Judges that could read English.
4 Judges apparently have a hard time with simple English
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My son-in-law is in law enforcement in central California and has had his personal vehicle in Bakersfield broken into twice in the last year. Many
cops carry guns in their personal vehicles and he is quite sure that is what they were after as the stereo and everything else was left intact. It
happens.
I have had the experience of living on many parts of this planet, some going through civil war, crumbling governments / economies and witnessed up
close a military coup and another just miles away. I narrowly missed a bullet that broke out the back passenger window of my car driving by a
demonstration once and vividly remember running for my life to seek shelter from a charging pro-marxist crowd throwing rocks and bottles. I have had
vehicles stolen, my home broken into and my business robbed so many times I lost count. Those events happened in Argentina, Venezuela, Brazil,
Indonesia and California, not Mexico.
Perhaps that life experience is what taught me to prepare for and survive the reality of life here today in Mexico. I am always aware of my
surroundings and look for the warning signs of trouble. They are there but most just don't pay attention or know the signs to look for. Although we
have never met, Woooosh strikes me as one who has come to learn those signs as well. I have gone to a lot of effort to create friendships and
alliances with those who have political, military and economic power in this country so that in the event something does happen, I / my family have
more options. Speaking fluent Spanish certainly doesn't hurt either.
I have come to the conclusion that nowhere is "safe" on this planet. We are living through great social-economic changes on a global level and
increased violence is a product of those changes. I honestly feel just as safe north of the border as south of the border, but not because of what is
going on around me. Random violence can get anyone, anywhere, anytime. I am just much more in control of my own situation wherever I go and I firmly
believe that is what keeps me safe, north and south of the border.
If you do decide to keep a gun with you (north or south of the border) just make sure that you know how to use it and train yourself on the many, many
scenarios that could happen to prepare for when and how you would use it. There is a reason that law enforcement spends so much time training their
officers for such events to be sure they will know when to hesitate pulling the trigger and when not to. Just keeping a gun hidden away in the closet
may not provide you any greater protection if you don't know what to do with it. I have witnessed many people who own guns but are terrified
themselves of handling them. Those folks are a danger to themselves IMHO.
YMMV
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Ditto to what Ron said!!!
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Si Si !
GUN CONTROL is hitting the target.
I've always told people who do ALL of their shooting at Cans or Paper targets that they should do as I do and create scenarios where you practice
real-life sorts of defense situations.
I will admit that it's a lot easier living out in the desert where there are still locations where you can do that within a 30 minute drive. Up in
the big city, you're pretty much limited to ranges most of the time.
On the other hand, it is true that the defensive situation MOST people will find themselves in will be the one where somebody is on their property or
in their house threatening them within 30 feet or less.
That's why, in addition to having a handgun next to the bed, I've got a short-barrel pump shotgun behind the bedroom door.
The SECOND most important thing is to be familiar and fairly accurate with the weapon. The MOST important thing is Mental Attitude. You have to be
prepared to NOT Talk, NOT attempt to use the weapon as a magic wand to discourage the Bad Guy, but shoot and aim Center-Mass for the best chance of
ending the threat. Too many people try to "discourage" or "wing" and end up missing. It's a tool like any other with a specific purpose.
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We agree there - if you make a decision to pull the trigger it had better be to kill. My son-in-law will tell you that on the range he has changed his
target firing style. Instead of sending multiple-rapid shots all center mass, he makes a line going up from center mass. His job has included a lot of
field time in areas with high concentrations of narco-gangs and has come across many wearing body armor. He figures that going up in direction will
get a neck/head shot just in case a body shot is stopped. I have shot with him on the range and he is deadly accurate at 30 yards with his 9mm.
My problem is with folks having guns who are not trained to use them and have to think about how to get the safety off or how to release a clip. When
somebody tells me they own a gun I always ask to see it. You would be surprised at how many of them have hesitated for a moment when I ask them to
perform those two simple maneuvers. Those are the folks that shouldn't own guns IMHO.
I firmly believe that if you are going to allow gun ownership, training and periodic refresher courses should be required. Just like driving a car. I
strongly believe that it would greatly increase the chances of a gun being fired at the right time and with greater accuracy as well as reduce
unfortunate incidents / accidents.
But what do I know...
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Bajahowodd
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But what about all the crazies? Matters not if they are just angry, or paranoid. As far as I know, such people are able to obtain guns. Why shouldn't
there be a more rigorous test for gun ownership? I know there are plenty of people who abide in the false reality that it's OK because I'm a better
marksman. Good luck.
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Hopefully they would be picked up in the process of background checks, training and certification. That is why I support that idea although I know it
isn't popular with many...
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