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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Gadget
Every bunch of crap in this country cannot be blamed on GWB.
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This particular crap can.
| Quote: | Originally posted by Gadget
saddeling us with more debt than ALL OTHER PRESIDENCIES COMBINDED, including GWB. Why don't you ever claim that stat???
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you conveniently look past why BO needed to bail out finanacial and auto industries, because of actions that occurred in prior decade, and near
universal agreement that bailouts were needed to prevent colapse of economy. don't blame it on BO.
you need to learn how to say: Yes We Can!
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bajaguy
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Suggestion
In my experiences, I have found that a rational, calm written record of the events with all of the names, dates, times and places sent to your US
Senator and members of the US House of Representatives usually generates results.........
If not settled to your satisfaction, it is usually a wake up call to the Agency and has a great trickle down effect for those involved in the agencies
chain of command.
Additionally, we should remember that there are usually more than two sides to every story, and we are only getting one side of this
"incident"..........
I listened to the podcast three times and the one thing that stood out was the CBP person in charge stated that "your (aircraft) tail number came up"
(in the automated system???)......
Possibly the aircraft was put (rightly or wrongly - is that a word???) on a "watch list" due to the frequent trips or destinations in
Baja................
[Edited on 6-9-2009 by bajaguy]
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djh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
You can't let it go, can you? We lost no freedoms under GWB |
Awwww..... C'mon, David.... While I ALWAYS appreciate the assistance and goodwill you bring to Nomads, I gotta say ~ that comment strays a bit from
reality.
Its all just stuff and some numbers.
A day spent sailing isn\'t deducted from one\'s life.
Peace, Love, and Music
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody in ob
the days of beaver cleaver in mayberry, rfd are over.
where's the fence??? |
Woody, you are confused. Beaver lived in Mayfield. Opie lived in Mayberry.
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capt. mike
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I can hear Bin Ladin laughing from his cave half way around the world.
from a friend.
"As most of you know I fly to and from Mexico several times a year for
pleasure generally, and some times professionally.
and yes I do obtain a temporary work visa.
The new system enacted by our guvment (eAPIS) now requires a special
form to be emailed and sent to our guvment prior to leaving or arriving
the new USSA.... (our Grand Fathers called it the USA). The attached
letter shows just how far we have moved to the left in giving up our
freedoms due in part to the Middle eastern extremists. (Politically
polite for once)  The eAPIS has its flaws that I am sure will be
worked out in time, but these abuses in our own country to our citizens
is ludicrous. The Author of the attached letter is a friend, and I
assure you that he is not exaggerating. He has given me permission to
forward his letter on to my network of flying folks. Please note all
the government officials that are CC'd in his letter.
As we pilots are fed up with these abuses the guvment is jamming down
our throats, we will stop flying out of the country for pleasure. The
people that will be hurt the most are the citizens of the small villages
and towns of MX that relies on our generosity and often times medical
supplies and medical attention they recive from the numerous volunteers
that do travel south. These Mexicans and Mexican businesses rely on
the trickle down economy theory, and many of us enjoy the different life
style that awaits us in a foreign country.
Back country flying in MX was alive and well until just the past few
years. Remember how content the frogs were as they sat in the nice pot
of warm water. Pretty soon, my comrade, we will all be cooked. What
will be the next freedom of ours to be tossed aside???? "
i think well said.
formerly Ordained in Rev. Ewing\'s Church by Mail - busted on tax fraud.......
Now joined L. Ron Hoover\'s church of Appliantology
\"Remember there is a big difference between kneeling down and bending over....\"
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Wiles
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I listened to the podcast. Found it interesting when the pilot referred to his passengers as customers and then corrected(?) himself.
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capt. mike
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very likely they were his business customers so force of habit in phrasing.
doesn't mean he was doing "charter" work. Besides, part 135 infractions are the domain of FAA not CBP who have no basis in investigating those.
lots of guys do travel fishing junkets for their best customers and write off the trip as business entertainment - perfectly legal under FARs and IRS
rules.
i have taken my subs to baja several times. they love it and i get a trip partially subsidized courtesy of Uncle.
you'd be surprized over the number of "2nd" homes in mexico that are written off 100% as business expense solely for T and E expense, all legitimately
done.
formerly Ordained in Rev. Ewing\'s Church by Mail - busted on tax fraud.......
Now joined L. Ron Hoover\'s church of Appliantology
\"Remember there is a big difference between kneeling down and bending over....\"
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woody with a view
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by woody in ob
the days of beaver cleaver in mayberry, rfd are over.
where's the fence??? |
Woody, you are confused. Beaver lived in Mayfield. Opie lived in Mayberry. |
actually, i was generalizing about a long gone era.....
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Gadget
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody in ob
if i had nothing to hide (pick your friends well, my friend!) and i experienced what you did i might be surprised, but i would also be proud that my
govt is finally getting serious. did they slap you around, throw you on the ground? or did they come at you defensively until they were sure no threat
existed?
the days of beaver cleaver in mayberry, rfd are over.
where's the fence??? |
JMO Woody, but the 3 of us in the truck are as all American as you get.
And no there was no roughing up, although the guy asking the question did have an attitude and although he wasn't dark skinned, he did have a hispanic
accent.
It just rubbed us all the wrong way as to if there was some location in my City that we may have been from that was a wrong answer.
I think we are still innocent until proven otherwise.
"Mankind will not be judged by their faults, but by the direction of their lives." Leo Giovinetti
See you in Baja
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Lee
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Anti-Law Enforcement crowd -- part of the problem
| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
btw, CG thugs have been boarding/inspecting boats for years. |
Thugs? Law enforcement doing their JOBS and they don't have to say ''please''.
Get over it.
Probable cause? Defined by Nomads, maybe?
Law enforcement defines Probable Cause. Next question?
Don't like the laws in the US, LEAVE! Try the Middle East.
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woody with a view
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Gadget
| Quote: | Originally posted by woody in ob
if i had nothing to hide (pick your friends well, my friend!) and i experienced what you did i might be surprised, but i would also be proud that my
govt is finally getting serious. did they slap you around, throw you on the ground? or did they come at you defensively until they were sure no threat
existed?
the days of beaver cleaver in mayberry, rfd are over.
where's the fence??? |
JMO Woody, but the 3 of us in the truck are as all American as you get.
And no there was no roughing up, although the guy asking the question did have an attitude and although he wasn't dark skinned, he did have a hispanic
accent.
It just rubbed us all the wrong way as to if there was some location in my City that we may have been from that was a wrong answer.
I think we are still innocent until proven otherwise. |
i'm not trying to be confrontational, either. but you were asked questions and were sent on your way. sounds like you're innocent. are the cops not
allowed to invade personal space now? where does personal space begin?
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Gadget
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| Quote: | | Quote: | Originally posted by Gadget
saddeling us with more debt than ALL OTHER PRESIDENCIES COMBINDED, including GWB. Why don't you ever claim that stat???
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you conveniently look past why BO needed to bail out finanacial and auto industries, because of actions that occurred in prior decade, and near
universal agreement that bailouts were needed to prevent colapse of economy. don't blame it on BO.
you need to learn how to say: Yes We Can! |
Oh no mt, I do not for any reason look past the bail outs. The biggest grab of private citizen funds in the history of the USA, surpassing FDRs
mandate for every citizen to turn in all but $100 of their gold or face $10,000 fine or 10 years in prison on April 1 of 1933, to empliment the FDIC
and Federal Reserve Bank pales in comparison to what BO and the Dems have done.
Don't think for a minute that any of us who can research facts misses that Barney Frank ( a slobbering Dem )and his pals pushed the sub prime mortgage
nightmare on the Banks because they think everyone should own a home regardless of ability to pay. Well as you well know mt, it crippled FANNY and
FREDY and they collapsed. It is only because of the medias bias and half the population had their heads up their butts that the real culprits got
away scott free, then doled out millions of our hard earned dollars to any burro with their hand out, most of which were big shot campaign
contributors to the culprits. I know you jump for joy that you all got away with blameing this on GWB. Honestly, my hats off to all of you. The
campaign was a master piece of smoke and mirrors like no other in our history. BO takes credit for all this bail out BS but when any of it goes amiss
he blames it on the past. That's pretty damn convienient.
Perhaps you have no children mt. I look past myself to my Son, neices, nephews, and future grand children who will be saddled with this debt for
their entire lifetimes. This is what really makes me angry. This has gone down on my watch, my generation is in power now for the most part.
Also mt, don't think I am happy with everything GWB did. I think his admin did a terrible job on many levels, just like all politicians do, they are
all human, right mt? Not messianic, right mt? you don't believe in ANY savior if I'm not mistaken.
I challenge you mt to tell us how you will be better off under the current plan as it unfolds, other than have a bigger government t_t to feed you.
Jesus said to render unto Ceasar what is do him. Whether you beleive in Jesus or not, the concept is sound.
Give to your government what is do them if they are worthy to be given to.
I have no problem paying my fair share so my governors can provide for safety, infrastructure and services for society.
Other than that, I want them to be invisable.
I will persue life, liberty and happiness on my terms and face all my mistakes myself without asking for any bail out from Uncle Sam.
YOU?
Yes we can???
mt, come on, its really "Yes you can for us". Any good socialist would be ashamed of you if you really think there is a "we" in what is going on.
"Mankind will not be judged by their faults, but by the direction of their lives." Leo Giovinetti
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Gadget
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody in ob
| Quote: | Originally posted by Gadget
| Quote: | Originally posted by woody in ob
if i had nothing to hide (pick your friends well, my friend!) and i experienced what you did i might be surprised, but i would also be proud that my
govt is finally getting serious. did they slap you around, throw you on the ground? or did they come at you defensively until they were sure no threat
existed?
the days of beaver cleaver in mayberry, rfd are over.
where's the fence??? |
JMO Woody, but the 3 of us in the truck are as all American as you get.
And no there was no roughing up, although the guy asking the question did have an attitude and although he wasn't dark skinned, he did have a hispanic
accent.
It just rubbed us all the wrong way as to if there was some location in my City that we may have been from that was a wrong answer.
I think we are still innocent until proven otherwise. |
i'm not trying to be confrontational, either. but you were asked questions and were sent on your way. sounds like you're innocent. are the cops not
allowed to invade personal space now? where does personal space begin? |
Yeah Woody, point taken. It's been 30 years or so since my last traffic stop here in the US. I don't remember the question scenario, but I guess
where are you coming from could be a reasonable inquiry.
I do want them to do their job, no doubt there. Even more so to those who should be asked tough questions.
"Mankind will not be judged by their faults, but by the direction of their lives." Leo Giovinetti
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LancairDriver
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Lee
| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
btw, CG thugs have been boarding/inspecting boats for years. |
Thugs? Law enforcement doing their JOBS and they don't have to say ''please''.
Get over it.
Probable cause? Defined by Nomads, maybe?
Law enforcement defines Probable Cause. Next question?
Don't like the laws in the US, LEAVE! Try the Middle East. |
They better learn to say please. They are tax dollar parasites and they work for us. When will you learn to quit bowing to these lowlifes? Would you
have been more comfortable in N-zi Germany when Hitler was taking over with that attitude? Of course there are many in law enforcement who treat the
public with the respect they are entitled to, and it is a shame law enforcement has been infiltrated by these bottom feeders. Probably a better
psychological screening is in order before employment. It takes awhile but the American public will change this sad state of affairs eventually.
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David K
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Go go Gadget, go! 
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Skeet/Loreto
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Please everyone relax, learn the New Rules and i feel sure you will be able to do the same thing that you have been doing in the past.
There is a "New Move" in the Inspection and Location of Boats/Planes that have been a source of Trouble for the Police in the past.
This effort to protect the Citzens of the United States will be O.K>
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woody with a view
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i'm no BIG fan of the cops.
i just feel that if they have to deal will narco punks, gun runners, child rapists and all the rest of the slime in the sleeze pond that you should be
GLAD someone has signed up for the job.
edit: and if you get do deal with a guy who's been in the deep end for awhile, just smile and thank him when he's done questioning you. at least in
this country they still let you go on your way, if you're innocent......
[Edited on 6-9-2009 by woody in ob]
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arrowhead
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| Quote: | Originally posted by airmech
What made this illegal? Last I heard officials needed probable cause to search without a warrant. |
Not when you say you are crossing the border, such as the pilot did by filing the border crossing documents. The law is different. They don't need any
cause to search you. Even if they don't know you are crossing the border and you are in a border area, they only need "reasonable suspicion" to stop
you and search you. No use complaining about it, this has already been up to the Supreme Court and the tactics have been upheld.
p.s. CPB also has the right to confiscate your computer, cell phone, etc. to exam them for as long as they want to.
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airmech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by arrowhead
| Quote: | Originally posted by airmech
What made this illegal? Last I heard officials needed probable cause to search without a warrant. |
Not when you say you are crossing the border, such as the pilot did by filing the border crossing documents. The law is different. They don't need any
cause to search you. Even if they don't know you are crossing the border and you are in a border area, they only need "reasonable suspicion" to stop
you and search you. No use complaining about it, this has already been up to the Supreme Court and the tactics have been upheld.
p.s. CPB also has the right to confiscate your computer, cell phone, etc. to exam them for as long as they want to. |
A "random search" is not "reasonable suspicion" either.
Besides they were leaving the US for Mexico. I have never been stopped at the border by the US officials on the US side when driving into mexico, have
you? How cares if the "terrorists" are leaving the US and going to mexico, let them go.
Both optimists and pessimists contribute to the society. The optimist invents the aeroplane, the pessimist the parachute.
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mulegemichael
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we lost no freedoms under GWB...what the f...???i cannot believe you can honestly say that, david...are you hallucinating to that degree?..o my
gawd!...this is very scary..
dyslexia is never having to say you\'re yrros.
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