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The Gull
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Jesse has said it very clearly and I agree with him.
Whoosh, your idea on raising the drinking age is a super idea for a gesture of being a good neighbor. While I don't think it will increase the
tourism in the area and it won't find any favorable enforcement, why don't you go meet with Hugo and see if you can convince him to take that stance
with other politicians? You may not like the fact that Hugo is your mayor, but he is in fact in the position of most influence. Or you could stay
hiding in your home, silent and happy that you have plenty to crab about.
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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Dave
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I don't disagree with your comments but...
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
Back to the topic. You are also wrong. Most Mexicans know very well that authorities are to blame for this, not any media. |
Aren't the authorities also Mexican? And aren't they either hired or elected by other Mexicans?
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JESSE
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
Back to the topic. You are also wrong. Most Mexicans know very well that authorities are to blame for this, not any media. |
Aren't the authorities also Mexican? And aren't they either hired or elected by other Mexicans? |
True, but honestly, most Mexicans are still figuring out how this new democracy thing works. Its been only 8 years since we have free elections and my
opinion is that most of us don´t understand how to work the process.
Now that we have free elections, we need to figure out a way to develop means to prevent the Hank Rhons of Mexico, to even come close to be able to
consider running for office.
I think Mexicans are ready for better goverment, but the political parties are holding everybody back. Usually you punish them with your vote, but
here, all parties are bad and full of bad politicians, so your vote regardless of the choice, will go to a bad party. This is a remmant of the past
that needs to be adressed and changed.
I personally don´t think Mexicans politicians reflect the current situation and views of the Mexican people.
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toneart
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I think Mexicans are ready for better goverment, but the political parties are holding everybody back. Usually you punish them with your vote, but
here, all parties are bad and full of bad politicians, so your vote regardless of the choice, will go to a bad party. This is a remmant of the past
that needs to be adressed and changed.
Jesse,
This is not unique to Mexico. We have the same problem in The United States. We are certainly hungry for better government, both federal and state
(California). Our lobbyist system ensures that the politicians are bought and paid for by special interests. And the polarized ideologies create
stalemates, and nothing gets done.
I write letters and vote but I sure don't feel represented.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by The Gull
Jesse has said it very clearly and I agree with him.
Whoosh, your idea on raising the drinking age is a super idea for a gesture of being a good neighbor. While I don't think it will increase the
tourism in the area and it won't find any favorable enforcement, why don't you go meet with Hugo and see if you can convince him to take that stance
with other politicians? You may not like the fact that Hugo is your mayor, but he is in fact in the position of most influence. Or you could stay
hiding in your home, silent and happy that you have plenty to crab about. |
Thanks Jesse. I'll take the second option. I'm already on his list of registerd expats- I wouldn't want him to put a face with the name  In Mexico your title gives you status and position- in the USA your actions while
you hold the title do.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
Has the american media hyped things? Off course it has |
Ok....I'm not trying to argue with Jesse but, show me just one instance where the US media has overblown a report. Where and when did the press
over-react?
Everybody screams "Media Over-reaction" but, show me just one case. Please.
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Terry28
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YK2000
Mexico!! Where two can live as cheaply as one.....but it costs twice as much.....
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Terry28
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Baja?
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no, but that was all I could think of....Maybe I'll stop drinking now.....maybe not..
Mexico!! Where two can live as cheaply as one.....but it costs twice as much.....
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Terry28
no, but that was all I could think of....Maybe I'll stop drinking now.....maybe not.. |
Don't be a quitter.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
Has the american media hyped things? Off course it has |
Ok....I'm not trying to argue with Jesse but, show me just one instance where the US media has overblown a report. Where and when did the press
over-react?
Everybody screams "Media Over-reaction" but, show me just one case. Please. |
Just last May, the Swine flu thing. We had 0 cases, but they made it look like all of Mexico was contaminated. Days and weeks of bad press. Or look at
many political races in the US, destroyed by stories that where later known to be untrue.
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The Gull
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Jesse has responded and shut down the detractor - the Mennis.
Cruise lines canceled trips to Ensenada and went to San Diego instead, where there were actually more cases of swine flu.
Do you have a wise-ass remark now, Mennis?
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by The Gull
While I don't think it will increase the tourism in the area and it won't find any favorable enforcement, why don't you go meet with Hugo and see if
you can convince him to take that stance with other politicians? |
Speaking of the good Senor Torres Chabert, he is catching some heat from his carnales. Rosarito has a city occupany tax that the hotels pay into. The
funds are supposed to be used to market Rosarito as a tourist destination. It seems that Hugo has been taking junkets to Las Vegas with the money.
There has been no accounting for the money and the other hotel owners think they have been ripped off.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
Has the american media hyped things? Off course it has |
Ok....I'm not trying to argue with Jesse but, show me just one instance where the US media has overblown a report. Where and when did the press
over-react?
Everybody screams "Media Over-reaction" but, show me just one case. Please. |
Just last May, the Swine flu thing. We had 0 cases, but they made it look like all of Mexico was contaminated. Days and weeks of bad press. Or look at
many political races in the US, destroyed by stories that where later known to be untrue. |
hindsight is 20/20. If Mexico hadn't claimed the swine flu as their own and built a bronze statue in it's honor- the media might have gone easier.
No cases in Baja? There are over a million swine flu cases now- baja didnt escape- it just refused to acknowledge it was here.
As one comedian says... You can't fix stupid. The media loves stupid. Did you miss the protests in the area of the flu origin by residents unhappy
with the lack of information and response? I saw and heard that and the media certainly picked up on it. When everyone is scared and in a panic- the
media fills in the blanks, for right or wrong. Mexico waited too long.
You can go back now, after the facts and events are clearer and reconstruct the flu event and even make Mexico look better in hindsight- but at the
time of the event there was clearly panic in that area and why wouldn't the media feed on that? If Mexico had found flu origin sooner- it would have
been worse actually because sealing it off from the world would have worked to contain it. But they waited too long, it got out of the area and
containment wasn't an option. It doesn't mean Mexico wasn't initially to blame- it just meant it was too late to contain it at that point.
Do you have a better example?
[Edited on 6-29-2009 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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Has this been reported in the San Diego Onion?
"Ronald Kramer said that publicity about Mexico’s war against drug cartels had falsely created the impression in the United States that the area is
unsafe for visitors.
Kramer is Consul General of the U.S. Consulate in Tijuana, which serves all of Baja California."
http://www.mexidata.info/id2303.html
My theory is that only bad news is reported because it makes people feel good to know that others are in more dire straits than themselves. Therefore
more newspapers are sold. People take pleasurre in some strange way seeing others suffer.
Some guy wakes up in San Diego worried about his job, stressing over his $3000 a month mortgage payment, just feeling bad, reads about murders in
Baja, and feels better.
[Edited on 6-29-2009 by k-rico]
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The other side of this discussion is the overly positive spin Mexico puts on everything. It's not credible either. When people see them blow smoke
all the time, they figure the truth is somewhere in the middle.
For example- the above article on Kramer was released by.... drum roll... the office of Mayor Torres of Rosarito Beach, not the US consulate at all.
"Press release, Office of the Mayor, Playas de Rosarito (Rosarito Beach), Baja California, June 9, 2009"
Kramer and the Consulate have not published the statement Torres published. In fact, the last "News" entry on the consulate site mentions the closing
of all schools in Mexico and the limiting of services at the consulate for precautionary measures.
"latest consulate news
Consulate Takes Precautionary Measures Related to Influenza Outbreak
Tijuana, B. C., April 27, 2009. On April 27, the Government of Mexico announced that as a precautionary measure, all schools in Mexico from
kindergarten through university level will remain closed until May 6.
In accordance with measures announced by the Government of Mexico to limit the congregation of large crowds, the U.S. Consulate General in Tijuana has
decided to suspend processing of non-immigrant visa appointments scheduled Tuesday, April 28 through Tuesday, May 5.
In addition, our services to American citizens will be limited to citizenship requests (passports and consular reports of birth abroad, or CRBA) and
emergency assistance only. Notarial and other routine services will not be available; those holding passport or CRBA appointments are encouraged to
reschedule for a later date.
These are precautionary measures only, taken to best assure the well-being of our clients and staff. "
[Edited on 6-29-2009 by Woooosh]
[Edited on 6-29-2009 by Woooosh]
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jerryjust
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Living In Rosarito!!!
I have lived in Rosarito since 1995, and can remember leaving my home and not locking the door, now you have Alarms,Iron gates, Clubs on your steering
wheel of your car,will not walk the dog alone, drugs are not the problem now it is kidnaping, a 16 yr old student from a private school was taken and
held 3 weeks,a guard was shot and killed and nothing appeared in any news or radio,paper. I will soon move my family further south, maybe Mulege,when
they improve there schools.
Jerryjust
BE WHO YOU ARE:SAY WHAT YOU FEEL:THOSE THAT MIND DON\'T MATTER: AND THOSE THAT MATTER DON\'T MIND;;;;
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
Has the american media hyped things? Off course it has |
Ok....I'm not trying to argue with Jesse but, show me just one instance where the US media has overblown a report. Where and when did the press
over-react?
Everybody screams "Media Over-reaction" but, show me just one case. Please. |
Just last May, the Swine flu thing. We had 0 cases, but they made it look like all of Mexico was contaminated. Days and weeks of bad press. Or look at
many political races in the US, destroyed by stories that where later known to be untrue. |
hindsight is 20/20. If Mexico hadn't claimed the swine flu as their own and built a bronze statue in it's honor- the media might have gone easier.
No cases in Baja? There are over a million swine flu cases now- baja didnt escape- it just refused to acknowledge it was here.
As one comedian says... You can't fix stupid. The media loves stupid. Did you miss the protests in the area of the flu origin by residents unhappy
with the lack of information and response? I saw and heard that and the media certainly picked up on it. When everyone is scared and in a panic- the
media fills in the blanks, for right or wrong. Mexico waited too long.
You can go back now, after the facts and events are clearer and reconstruct the flu event and even make Mexico look better in hindsight- but at the
time of the event there was clearly panic in that area and why wouldn't the media feed on that? If Mexico had found flu origin sooner- it would have
been worse actually because sealing it off from the world would have worked to contain it. But they waited too long, it got out of the area and
containment wasn't an option. It doesn't mean Mexico wasn't initially to blame- it just meant it was too late to contain it at that point.
Do you have a better example?
[Edited on 6-29-2009 by Woooosh] |
Mexico didnt claim the flu as its own. And if you look closely, the statue was built by one stupid governor, a month AFTER the feeding frenzy stopped.
During the initial 3 weeks of constant and relentless reporting, baja had 0 cases. San Diego and New York had more than our whole state.
As for your last question, its simple:
MICHAEL JACKSON
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
MICHAEL JACKSON |
we agree on something.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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I have been going to Rosarito for the past 4 years and have never had a problem. My wife and I bought in one of the high rise condo buildings south
of Rosarito ( Las Olas Grand ) and took possession about 14-15 months ago. Yes I admit we are one of the lucky ones who's places were finished. We go
down every other week or so and love it today as much as ever. Just got back last night I am asked constantly why we go and told we better be careful
with all the violence there when they have never been there themselves. My response is...Of course we are careful, I don't go to Watts at 2am so what
makes you think I'll go to Tijuana in middle of night? In my opinion the media HAS cause alot of the problems. The economy sure has caused alot of
it too. But if people weren't so scared off by news reports maybe they could have a nice CHEAPER vacation on the beach in the Rosarito area. Where on
the California coast line can you get a nice 2-3 bdrm condo for 1-2 hundred dollars a night??? NO WHERE
Its sad to go there and see so many restaurants nearly empty, so many shops closed up and just not alot of tourists around. I am one guy who hopes
and prays this all turns around because I plan on going there for many many more years.
Tom
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