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Paulina
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"If he's not mad, why should you be?"
In what context are you using the word mad?
My insanity does not exeed the level of his. Aren't we all a bit "mad" about Baja, or did you mean something else?
Anger perhaps?
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DENNIS
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Bill likes to start things then disappear.
Mordita won't stop just because you won't pay it. It will require a new social morality, a cultural shift, and I doubt all of us put together will
have the clout to put that into place.
The only viable option is to go to the station although, that's usually inconvenient and nothing is more self-centered than an inconvenienced North
American.
We never were a team.....just 300 million individuals.
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Bajahowodd
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OK. For all I know, Mrbill may be mad, but he wasn't angry! And Dennis has it about right.
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Osprey
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If we're not a team, could we be a group? I like to be part of something. A clutch? A cliche? Don't tell me I'm gonna have to have my Baja Nomad
tattoo removed! Looks so good there next to "Mom" and "King of Mordida".
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oxxo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Mordita won't stop just because you won't pay it. |
Mordita has stopped for me, because I don't pay it. I'm not saying what other people should do, I just know what works for me.
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MrBillM
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De Nada, Shark
I haven't disappeared, Dennis. Just been working (and sweating like a Pig) most of the day. Making matters worse, we're entering a Neap tide cycle
and it's a long way to the water. The upside is that the dogs don't wander off. They're all laying on the concrete in the shade panting.
Now, it's break (and Beer) time.
I always like to post these "Biting" encounters because they generate so much pro/con interest. It winds up the "Righteous" crowd everytime. I used
to have a neighbor who was one of those and I'd tie him in knots spitting nails with my tales of "Get Along". THAT was worth the Mordida spent.
Not sure how those MexCops have zeroed in on me as a soft touch over the last 45 years. I can't remember ever getting stopped in the same vehicle
more than once. Maybe, but I don't remember it. Chile-Pepper Psychic Powers ? And, thinking about it, there haven't been that many. A dozen,
mayber more. Forty-Five years since I first drove down here. Not Bad.
I've spent 50 or a hundred times the mordida at the border that I have with the Cops. AND, it still comes out to far less than the Duty would have
been.
$60 IS a lot, though. A friend of mine stopped by on the way to Gonzaga this a.m. and his jaw dropped at that one. He paid $20 recently.
IT Was HOT. The Wife and Three Dogs in the Truck. The truck FULL of gear I DIDN'T pay any duty on 15 minutes earlier. I was tired. On a better
day in November, it might have gone differently. Cheaper, anyway. As far as a "REAL" ticket costing only $36, I have to say that I would have done
the same thing. $24 extra to just go on my way ? ANYTIME.
We all have priorities. As I've said "I don't want to set the world on Fire", I just want to go on my way.
BTW, one more anecdote. When the cop first came up, he leaned his arm on the back of the window opening. At which point, one of my dogs who is VERY
jealous of her territory in the truck, made a growling effort at taking part of that arm off. During our discussion, as I tried to make it clear that
she wouldn't "Really" Bite, he pulled off one glove to show me scars that (supposedly) came from a Dog Bite.
Whenever we pull up at the Army Checkpoint, we start petting and talking to her beforehand to settle her down should they open the back door. There
have been some tense moments when she felt someone who had NO right to be there was in HER space.
VIVA MORDIDA.
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viabaja
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A felony in Baja!!! Hahahahahah!!! What planet are some of you all living on?? I think many people just forget that Mexico is a third world country.
Mexican Law enforcement is not your best friend and their judicial system is"guilty until proven innocent" How valuable is your time? $40 - 60 is
money well spent than having to follow the cop to the station and pay. I do not condone the system, but it is what it is. So for those who get on
their high horses and castigate those who have shared a good story about paying the system, get a realty check!
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Osprey
If we're not a team, could we be a group? I like to be part of something. A clutch? A cliche? Don't tell me I'm gonna have to have my Baja Nomad
tattoo removed! Looks so good there next to "Mom" and "King of Mordida". |
We're a MOB. It'll look good right next to "MOM."
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Sharksbaja
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I'm a little curious here. There are some Nomads who insist on seeing the chief or going to the station when they feel they are being greased up for
mordida.
My question is simple. Do these lawbiding folks also report to the chief the mordida tactics used on them by the officer or is that part left out? It
would seem like these good folks who are doing their duty pay a legit fine would also take appropriate action to halt further extractions by the cop.
How else would these injustices be known to higher-ups?
What Gringo would turn in a dirty cop face to face? Maybe Gnu would but he's an exception methinks.
I'm sure the Chief has no idea that this is going on out on the streets of TJ or wherever.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
Not sure how those MexCops have zeroed in on me as a soft touch over the last 45 years. A dozen, mayber more. Forty-Five years since I first drove
down here. Not Bad. |
Jeezo, Bill....When you swim with the sharks, eventually they'll show you the love which makes them famous. You've done good, in my opinion
| Quote: | | IT Was HOT. The Wife and Three Dogs in the Truck. The truck FULL of gear I DIDN'T pay any duty on 15 minutes earlier. I was tired. On a better
day in November, it might have gone differently. We all have priorities. As I've said "I don't want to set the world on Fire", I just want to go on
my way. |
Discretion is still the better part of valor.
| Quote: | | Whenever we pull up at the Army Checkpoint, we start petting and talking to her beforehand to settle her down should they open the back door.
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I had a girlfriend like that once. I used a muzzle and a big neckerchief to sop up the saliva. She was a good cook, though.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oxxo
Mordita has stopped for me, because I don't pay it. I'm not saying what other people should do, I just know what works for me.
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OK...That works for mordita. Try it with air pollution.
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oxxo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
My question is simple. Do these lawbiding folks also report to the chief the mordida tactics used on them by the officer or is that part left out?
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The citing officer accompanies me to the station when I insist. I paid the fine at the station, if guilty, and went on my way. The most expensive
fine I ever paid was $20 and have always received a receipt.
Last winter, I was stopped in San Jose del Cabo for driving with an expired registration (which was true). The field cop asked for $100. I said no,
and he and I went to the station. I spoke to the comandante, Juan Castro Zepilla, who spoke perfect English. He said he had received training in
Sacramento, CA. We had a cordial conversation. I said I was guilty but I thought $100 was excessive. He said that he was constantly trying to
"train" his officers. He said this officer had cited me for the incorrect infraction. He said that 75 PESOS was the proper fine. I got my receipt
and his business card and he said to call on him if I needed assistance in the future.
If I was not guilty of the infraction, the citing officer gives up when I insist on going to the station. It is better for him to give up, give me a
warning, and send me on my way. His time is better spent trying to shake down someone who will pay, rather than wasting his time taking me to the
station.
I not trying to tell you what to do. I'm just saying what has worked for me.
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mooose29
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Just curious
Other then the last poster I have never known anyone who went to the station to settle the fine on the spot. When I recieved my ticket I was simply
told that I had 30 days to go at my convience and pay the fine. How many drivers that have been pulled over have actually been made to go to the
station and see the "Judge"
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bajalou
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I have always gone to the station and paid the fine. (1 speeding and 4-5 running stop signs) I have always been guilty. Total fines for all of this
- about $50.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mooose29
Other then the last poster I have never known anyone who went to the station to settle the fine on the spot. When I recieved my ticket I was simply
told that I had 30 days to go at my convience and pay the fine. How many drivers that have been pulled over have actually been made to go to the
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I have. I've also had my Calif. license taken to be bailed out at the station. That used to be the standard method other than playing the street
game.
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BajaNomad
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A reminder....
Cities in the northern peninsula state of Baja California give you the option of paying your citation by MAIL:
"If you are stopped by a police officer for a traffic violation in Tijuana or Rosarito, you should always politely insist on a written citation that
you could pay either at the police station, or by mail."
Tickets issued in Tijuana can be paid in the USA with a check or money order made out to:
H. Ayuntamiento de Tijuana
416 West San Ysidro Blvd.
Suite “L” No. 725
San Ysidro, CA 92143
Tickets issued In Rosarito can be paid in the USA with a check or money order made out to:
H. Ayuntamiento de Rosarito
P.O. Box 439060
San Diego, CA 92143-9060
Tickets issued in Ensenada can be paid by sending a check or money order made out to:
Municipio de Ensenada
PMB 147
P.O. Box 189003
Coronado, CA, 92178-9003
For the cities of San Felipe, Tecate and Mexicali, traffic fines must be paid at the police station.
This is supposed to be the latest info - directly from the Baja California State Tourism Secretariat website:
http://www.discoverbajacalifornia.com/safety/traffic_tickets...
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DENNIS
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Thanks, Doug.....The Discover Baja link is a good one. Wish I could see and print this in Spanish so I could hand it to a cop.
[Edited on 7-13-2009 by DENNIS]
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaNomad
Tickets issued in Tijuana can be paid in the USA with a check or money order made out to:
H. Ayuntamiento de Tijuana
416 West San Ysidro Blvd.
Suite “L” No. 725
San Ysidro, CA 92143
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This address is a Postal Annex..same place I get my mail.
In case anyone wonders, Nancy, the owner, tells me the large basket for mail to the TJ address is always overflowing.
I guess their system works with us. It's nice to see.
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Dave
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Obviously only for tourists from the U.S.
| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaNomad
A reminder....
Cities in the northern peninsula state of Baja California give you the option of paying your citation by MAIL:
"If you are stopped by a police officer for a traffic violation in Tijuana or Rosarito, you should always politely insist on a written citation that
you could pay either at the police station, or by mail."
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If you're a driving a Mexican plated vehicle with a Mexican drivers license don't expect cordial treatment.
Additionally and according to Rosarito's mayor:
Within the city limits the only officers authorized to issue citations to tourists are the tourist police. You can request that they be sent
to your location. This will usually stop the rats in their tracks.
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bajajudy
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Here they say that they are going to take your license and that you can pick it up at the station when you pay your ticket. I got stopped a few weeks
back for no seat belt. I chatted with the cop. He told me how guapa my picture was. I asked him what would happen if I ran into another cop who
wanted to see my license. At that point, he took my license and went back to discuss this with his driver/partner. He came back and gave me my
license and told me to wear my seat belt from now on. All of this conversation was in Spanish which in this case I believe helped me get out of the
ticket. He kept saying my name over and over and then where I lived....quien sabe.
Edit to add
I would not have paid him a centavo rojo, if he had kept my license...no way! I will not encourage that even if it is a pain in the you-know-what.
[Edited on 7-13-2009 by bajajudy]
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