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Cypress
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bajajudy, Thanks for the neat photo. You can't even imagine some of my
knots, but they won't slip or come untied.
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There are many different manafactures of nautical line. And.... as many different types of synthetics they are spun from..... to old tme manilla look
alikes... to authentic versions thereof. The common 3 strand, that Judy' photo shows would probably be stronger when the product was new. However,
most of the off the shelf, 3 strand from a chandelrey nowdays, is a certain cheaper copy of older designs and is a cotton and polypropelene spun mix.
As this material ages from sun and salt water quite fast and it becomes very stiff. A cleat wrap with a stiff older line as Judy's depicts, will slip
fast under the right loads. I have wittnesed it many times. As where a spun more modern mesh lines stay softer alot longer. Years longer and holds
better infact.++C+
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BMG
couldn't find anything regarding less strength on colored lines versus un-dyed, but their braided is higher strength than their 3 strand in the same
diameter. |
Check out the West Marine catalog and the chart furnished by their rope and rode supplier.
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Another example:
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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Curt63
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Knotty Knotty!
No worries
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Von
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Reminds me when i was in the Navy and had to learn about 20 different
knots. What a pain in the rear never used all of them only one or two.....
READY SET.....................
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toneart
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Knotheads Unite!
Er.....is that untie? 
I like your photo with the coil, Judy.
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fishbuck
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| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
Er.....is that untie?
I like your photo with the coil, Judy. |
Flemish coil don't ya know!
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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OK all you knot heads...I have a challenge...i have won money and lots of drinks from drunken sailors in many a port bar with this one...BUT...it's
one of those "have to do it in person"...it cant be typed...it is about a certain type of Bollen or is it Bolen/bolin/bowlin?? knot....I bet I know a
bolen you dont...l bet you dont know how to tie a dragon bolin....I'll show it to you when you come and visit.
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hmmm dragon' bowline? I bet you were a girlscout?
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gnukid
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fishbuck
Another example:
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I am going to fail this knot as well, the lead must be much longer to ensure it doesn't loosen and the end come through. Argh.
Looks like its a knot tying party at the next Nomad get together. We never know when we'll need a breaches buoy rescue with a double bowline bosn'n
chair to the rescue.
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fishbuck
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I think it's left short so you can see which end is the working end and which is the standing end.
But still it shouldn't work loose if tied right.
I did sail with the LA Maritime Institute on the Swift of Ipswitch. They don't use the cleat not because they believe it will slip under presure. And
that you can loose a finger trying to untie it. That's when it's tied on a belaying pin to tie off the halyard on a mainsail for example.
Probably not a factor in Baja.
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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gnukid
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Aha! The rule is more than 6 inches tail to maintain tension.
After seeing the cleat hitch mysteriously come loose too many times when not under tension, I prefer alternatives like you too.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
.l bet you dont know how to tie a dragon bolin....I'll show it to you when you come and visit. |
Obscure reference to Young Frankenstein, "Walk this way". 
David
Not one shred of evidence supports the notion that life is serious.
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Judy all you needed was another 1/2 wrap and yourknot would be perfect , and the clete will pull out of the pier or the line will break before the
knot slips
James F Grooms
CPO USN RET
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Cypress
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Anybody ever seen a "Tug boat bolin".
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well, well, well, Gringos are arguing over a knot and do not understand the issue at all. (not talking about writing the word correctly in the first
place)
I clearly go with fishbucks arguments!
as far as i can see, all examples in the pics are starting to tie the end which leads to the boat around the cleat. That is wrong as hell.
In Baja (and the rest of the world like in Asia and Europe) the guy on the rope holds the end leading to the boat, putting it one time over the cleat
> putting strength on it up to the point where he thinks the boat should stay. If that is done, he ties the lead end around the cleat as many times
as necessary and making one underpass at the end.
This way you can untie the boat much safer and quicker then "the American way" > Please discussion now 111 posts.
THX: 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajajudy
newkiddie is pretty much right about angle of line to cleat, but he is using a crappy rope type. bajajudy's braided/twisted line is probably better
tie line than newkid's sheathed type line. |
I always find it interesting that everyone on this forum is an expert on everything.
Double braided line is roughly twice as strong as twisted three-strand rope of the same material.
http://boatsafe.com/marlinespike/safeload.htm
The line from the load should always be taken to the horn farthest from the load (as in gnukid's picture). Bajajudy should take her first wrap around
the horn to the right to be perfectly correct. It should not be taken around the cleat more than one wrap as it will bind when releasing.
http://boatsafe.com/marlinespike/cleathitch.htm
There, now we all know the truth....
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Cypress
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squid, Yea, being a gringo, I always have a sharp knife handy in case the knots need a little help coming undone.
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Two words for those knotempared. DUCT TAPE
Bahia Concepcion where life starts...given a chance!
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