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| Quote: | Originally posted by Lee
I don't advise breaking any federal laws by removing airplane parts for security purposes. On the other hand, if a US plane is stolen in Baja, I'm
guessing the feds would say well you shouldn't have been flying in Mexico.
I'd talk to an A&P and say: look, I need to disable my plane so it CAN'T be STOLEN when I'm in Mexico. IF the A&P were to say
''impossible'' -- like, if someone is smart enough to steal it and fly it away, they'll get it if they want it -- then I WOULDN'T FLY INTO MEXICO --
unless I was planning to sleep next to the plane at night with a weapon.
I'm not an A&P so I don't know what's possible. What an A&P advises might be against fed law.
Seems simple to me. Disable a plane if left unsecured for the night, or don't fly it to MX without possibility of it being stolen.
Any pilot who doesn't take security precautions is stupid and gets no sympathy from this Pilot.
Not sure how many more planes need to be stolen before the ''light bulb'' turns on. |
You should stick to a subject you know something about.
The last two aircraft thefts I recall were planned to get around any disabling of the aircraft. The thieves merely waited until the planes were fully
occupied and taxing out to the runway. They pulled up with lots of AK-47s and dragged the families out of their planes scaring the crap out of them.
They then got into the planes and flew off. As you can see these criminals are reading your posts and acting accordingly
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Lee
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A&P's say it's not possible to disable a plane -- bring 'em down!
| Quote: | | Originally posted by Stickers As you can see these criminals are reading your posts and acting accordingly |
Reading my posts? Oh I hope not. How about the 2 thefts before your two?
| Quote: | Originally posted by airmech
Oh, and Lee no one really cares what you think. Its is pretty obvious you don't know what your talking about on this subject, sympathy or no sympathy.
Also I don't think this thread was started to get sympathy, it was started to help and to report what had happen as a warning to other pilots. Since
you have no clue and are obviously not here to help maybe you should stay out of the conversation. PS: My wife, my son, and myself are all A&Ps if
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No one cares about my opinion? You mean those whiners who can't keep their planes from being stolen, or is the whiners complaining about late
departures because of airport searches?
A&P's in the family? I guess you're saying that it's NOT possible to disable a airplane so it's NOT stolen? Also guess that information
would be available if it were possible.
Try to follow this between your tears.
If leaving a plane UNATTENDED in Baja is equivalent to leaving your car parked with the engine running over night, then STOP FLYING PLANES TO BAJA.
Guess the stupid pilots have a problem with that. It's a fact. Nobody can tell a stupid pilot what to do. They know better.
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| Quote: | | No one cares about my opinion? |
Yeah no one cares about your opinion.
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Lee
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| Quote: | Originally posted by airmech
Yeah no one cares about your opinion. |
Written like the Pudknocker you are. Any more gems for the real pilots out there?
This thread is about how NOT to get your plane stolen in Baja, AND why you shouldn't whine here when you do not factor in a few minutes to explain
your flight plan.
You're an accident waiting to happen. Stupid pilots crash and burn everyday and nobody cares.
If you have anything to write of value, U2U me. Otherwise, go to your room and behave. And no more whining.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Lee
| Quote: | Originally posted by airmech
Yeah no one cares about your opinion. |
Written like the Pudknocker you are. Any more gems for the real pilots out there?
This thread is about how NOT to get your plane stolen in Baja, AND why you shouldn't whine here when you do not factor in a few minutes to explain
your flight plan.
You're an accident waiting to happen. Stupid pilots crash and burn everyday and nobody cares.
If you have anything to write of value, U2U me. Otherwise, go to your room and behave. And no more whining. |
For the record Lee, I don't care about your opinion and I would be willing to wager that the other pilots on this board don't care either.
This thread isn't about disabling your plane it's about letting people know what happened and to look out for the plane. I re-read the post looking
for someone whining but couldn't find any. What I did find was a group of concerned Nomads and one incredibly stupid douchbag (that would be you Lee).
Don't you have a life Lee?.....no reply necessary...retorical...dt
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Come on guys! Let's play nice.
That was a pretty little Skyhawk for sure. I think it was a Skyhawk.
Anyway, ya keep an eye out for it. My guess is that it's already on the mainland and probably headed south. I seriously doubt it's still in Baja. But
maybe.
My guess is it's head for Colombia, Venzuela, or Peru. I'm sure a buyer was already lined up for it. Probably for flying coke out of remote spots to a
transportation center.
I think it is important to discuss how to disable or otherwise secure our planes down there.
Because once it's gone it's not coming back.
The only other alternative is to not fly to Baja. I'm building my life around flying down there so that's not an option for me.
I have flown down there many times and left my plane unattended and unsecured other than just locking the door. But those days are over.
So even though Lee is a bit abrasive he does have a point that it's a bit naive to not secure the plane somehow. Disabling or otherwise.
But no theft insurance? After all the stories of Cessnas especially being stolen?
A bit unwise. Penny wise and pound foolish.
But please fellow pilots and mechanics, be civil with each other on this issue.
Thanks!
[Edited on 8-21-2009 by fishbuck]
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Fishbuck, we have registered every plane that has ever landed at our airport and personally know almost all of them. I really doubt that this was an
inside job. Our strip is not " little" having 2500 feet of hard packed clay with water at both ends. No practice is necessary! Granted, the pilot knew
what he was doing and probably makes a bunch of money from the drug people for doing it. Unfortunately, we are just another victim and now we need to
go overboard with security - as we have now done.
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Sorry Senior Lorenzo didn't mean to imply inside job. And you runway does look very good.
But I doubt this was random either.
They knew that plane was there. Either they check often or someone called them. And I'm sure they have a pick list... C-172, C-182, C-206, C-210.
Maybe even a Piper!
And maybe they haven't flown in and out before but they for sure have eyballed it during daylight hours.
And not just your place but probably every busy runway.
A two man team. 1 lock picking specialist and 1 pilot.
I really like your runway. I have property over at Pedregal so you can see why I am very concerned about this also.
Sorry it happened to you.
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Lee
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dt checks in with personal insults. More stupid pilots.
| Quote: | Originally posted by dtbushpilot
For the record Lee, I don't care about your opinion and I would be willing to wager that the other pilots on this board don't care either.
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So, you don't care for my opinion and who gives a shlt about your opinion? Thanks for checking in. Any other stupid pilots out there, don't give
a shlt about your opinion either.
| Quote: | | This thread isn't about disabling your plane it's about letting people know what happened and to look out for the plane. I re-read the post looking
for someone whining but couldn't find any. What I did find was a group of concerned Nomads and one incredibly stupid douchbag (that would be you Lee).
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Yeah well you can read the original thread and take what you want from the experiences of naive (stupid) pilots who've lost their planes. Keep it
on the surface or take it a little deeper. That might be a first for you. Do you NOT learn from other pilots mistakes? GUess you're an
accident waiting to happen, as well.
| Quote: | | Don't you have a life Lee?.....no reply necessary...retorical...dt |
Anyone NOT learning from the mistakes made around security get in line with numbnuts, here. That's you, dt.
Just for the record folks, I've read that the hijacking in Mulege had to be an inside job. The perps were in the area for about a week and had been
camping near the runway. If that were the case, I'd have my ducks in a row, and taxiing out on the runway with purpose. The clueless won't know
what I'm writing about.
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Lee
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Time to 'fess up?
| Quote: | Originally posted by fishbuck
I have flown down there many times and left my plane unattended and unsecured other than just locking the door. But those days are over.
[Edited on 8-21-2009 by fishbuck] |
OK I admit I"m tough loved when it comes to stupid pilot mistakes. I can't be the only one who thinks leaving a plane, even a ''locked'' one, is a
good thing. Things have changed though I think some pilots will continue to think it can't happen to them.
Since at least one poster thinks the criminals read my posts, it might be best not to post the ways to disable a plane that would be left unattended.
Think, on another post, fishbuck was the first to mention removing the propeller. Sounds good to me.
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It wasn't really stupid mistakes --
The primary target for airplane thefts in Mexico (Baja) has been the 200 series of Cessnas. They have a reputation for being heavy haulers . There
must be a shortage now , so they are taking 182's ???
I have flown my airplanes in Mexico for 28 years and have never had a problem. Although I do fly "heavy haulers", they are not the Cessna brand. Both
of my early planes could haul the same as the Cessnas, but they for some reason were not favored by the thieves.
Until the recent years, I never took any precautions other than locking my plane and keeping it in sight of my house in Baja.
To answer Lee's question, there is no easy legal way to disable a plane along the lines he is suggesting. The "remove a wheel" is one of the best "off
the cuff" solutions, but you need tools and a special jack . Then if they have cased you, THEY JUST BRING A SPARE !!! So there are no easy solutions
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OK I admit I"m tough loved when it comes to stupid pilot mistakes. I can't be the only one who thinks leaving a plane, even a ''locked'' one, is a
good thing. Things have changed though I think some pilots will continue to think it can't happen to them.
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I still think is a C-172. It's got that hawk stencil on the tail. Good for short hops out of remote jungle strips with 500-700 lbs of coke.
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How about taking the cowling off and leaving it in the hotel. But I think the plane would still fly without it.
So take off the cowling, the nose gear tire, flatten the mains, drain the oil out...
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What makes you so sure Baja Californios took it?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Lorenzo
I really doubt that this was an inside job. |
That may be true, but in the El Vigia article it says your night watchman stated that he was just paid to watch the houses, not the airplanes. That
explanation sure does not jive 100% with what you are saying about your security. By the way, does that night watchman still work there? Did he come
into some money recently?
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inside ?
There was speculation that the planes were being tracked from their mexican airport of entry ? Information of their intended stay was gained thru
there ?
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Recruit the best car thief from Ensenada and the best active or former military pilot from Ensenada.
Provide them with the flight plan of the target aircraft when he enters in the airport of entry. ( probably Ensenada).
I frequently see highwing Cessna type airplanes patrolling around Ensenada information. Probably military trainers from Ensenada.
Pure speculation though.
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Think fishbuck hit the nail on the head
| Quote: | Originally posted by fishbuck
My guess is that it's already on the mainland and probably headed south. I seriously doubt it's still in Baja. But maybe.
My guess is it's head for Colombia, Venzuela, or Peru. I'm sure a buyer was already lined up for it. Probably for flying coke out of remote spots to a
transportation center.
I think it is important to discuss how to disable or otherwise secure our planes down there.
[Edited on 8-21-2009 by fishbuck] |
I'm thinking this is it. It's unlikely thief's would steal a plane and fly it around Baja. These planes are somewhere in the Mainland or
South, used for illegal purposes, and a buyer (cartel) was financing the thief.
So, fishbuck and Bob? Is there a solution to preventing thief's from flying off with personal planes while the pilot is somewhere in Baja other
than the airport? It looks like disabling is limited and there's little that can be done.
There must be SOMETHING that can be done! What are the solutions?
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solution? maybe military guards at airstrips?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
solution? maybe military guards at airstrips? |
It works at the airstrip at the Sirenidad hotel in Mulege. (So far)
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