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4baja
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if your not going to be pulling the moter off and on then go with the heavyer 4 stroke moter and you wont regret it. just remember mike you cant drop
the moter in the water or continualy sink the boat at the shore and expect it to run good i'll look up mike when i get there.
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Barry A.
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MIKE--YOU ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK
Mike----Despite what I have been venting about on Fred's "Baja Travelers Board" on this subject (2-strokes versus 4-strokes), and despite that I
disagree with some of the points that your "dealers" are making, I believe that you are headed in the right direction in your logic. The 20hp Honda
4-stroke will probably do you just fine---it is heavy, but you can always get somebody to help you put it on the boat, and take it off, and Honda's do
run like a dream. I did not realize before that your Gregor was the heavier model---15 hp just would not do it, your right. My only complaints with
4-strokes are 3: they are NOT as powerful out-of-the-hole (a minor inconvience), the extra weight, and they cost more. Everything else is positive
for 4-strokes. Like I said, you are on the right track. I will be envious of your final boat package, I am sure. Have fun!! Barry
PS ------Oh, and by the way, apparently Evinrude I-tec 2-strokes only come in 40hp, and above, so I retract my rantings and ravings about Evinrude
since the arguement is moot now. Those motors are just too big for you. (-:
PPS A safety chain between the boat and the outboard is always a good idea----I attach mine to the motor with a stainless steel carabiner. The
chain is always permanently attached to the transom.
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Fang
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Mike,
Pick up a good used 15Hp 2 stroke. Because of the restrictions in the States, they are getting cheaper every day. Eric & I pushed our 14' Lund all
over the Sea of Cortez with a similar set-up for many years. A 15 horse will do the job with no problem and give better fule economy.
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jrbaja
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It's statements like these
and then listening to the whining about the condition of the Sea of Cortez, that makes me truly wonder about certain mentalities! Especially busy
body, tree hugging gringos!!
"They caught over 100 dorado one day and went back out the next morning and doubled the count. Mike and a buddy caught in excess of 40 dorado one
day."
Pick up a good used 15Hp 2 stroke. Because of the restrictions in the States, they are getting cheaper every day.
What are those restrictions and why do they have them ?
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JZ
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Oh JR...
You wouldn't even be able to tell the difference between a little 15hp 2-stroke and 4-stroke. You can find bigger fish to fry!
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jrbaja
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Except there are now
so many of these little outboards putting all over the sea of Cortez that there isn't enough Lemon Joy in the world to cover up all the fuel trails.
I think that every little bit helps towards the protection of this Sea.
Especially when some have made it their personal concern to rant and rave about a foreign countries environment and accuse the citizens of that
country of being the ones that are ruining it.
And, by the way, I have a 30 hp oil injected Suzuki that has been in those waters a bunch so I'm not exactly innocent.
But if I were to umm say, lose it to the depths, I would most certainly replace it with something a little more environment friendly.
Outboards, waverunners, etc. all contribute to the pollution of the environment.
They have been banned in many places in the states. For a good reason. They pollute. A lot!
It's truly a bummer for those that have these toys but it's really a bummer for the Sea of Cortez where most people go to use these toys now.
Anyways, not trying to cause a ruckus, just thought it might be something to consider.
Rio Mulege 1984
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Barry A.
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MIKE'S BOAT IS TOO HEAVY FOR A 15 HP
Fang----a light weight alum. 14 footer with two people, or especially with only one person, and a 15 hp 2-stroke, will really haul, your right. But
Mike has the heavy weight Gregor boat, and he likes people, so I think he will be happier with the 20 hp, or even the 25. Just my thoughts. My
light weight 14 foot Gregor with a 15 hp 2-stroke was really over taxed when I put 4 folks in the boat. It was great when I was by myself. Also, a
14 foot Gregor can handle almost anything the Sea of Cortez can throw at it if great care and skill is used. I have had some hair-raising experiences
over the years with huge winds and waves, but always came out just fine. Running with the waves was always the most scary----you have to match your
speed to that of the waves very carefully, or they will swamp you from the rear. Lots of fun!!! Barry
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JZ
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I agree, 15hp is not enough
As much as I'd like to "give" you my slightly used 15hp, it is too small for your boat.
You should find out what the max hp rating is for your boat and go with that. I wouldn't think you'd be taking the engine on and off, so I wouldn't
worry about the weight (a 15hp 4-stroke can't really be single handled any way; trust me I know that all to well!).
You never heard someone say, gee I wish I would have gone with the lower hp engine, but the opposite sure is true.
The last situation you want to find yourself in is being about 10 miles out, having 4 on board, spotting a Chubasco, and not being able to get it up
on plane! 
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fishuntr
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Hi Mike; it took something like this to lure me out of "lurk mode" which is my usual M.O. nowadays. Like Bedman said, I have a 25hp Suzuki stroke
that I use on my little 12' Valco. Waaay too much engine, but kind of a rush to drive. Ever see a 12 footer do a wheelie?
I'm no expert, but I think the power to weight ratio of a two stroke is much higher than for the four. I would suggest another two stroke, both for
the price difference and for the weight. No more than we use these little buggers they will never wear out if we take care of them.
I am somewhat casually looking for a 15 hp for my boat, but it's no big deal. A 15 would be perfect for my little cartopper, easier to lug around as
well.
It's too bad that some folks just have to criticize, no matter what. That's the reason I no longer post much.
Hope to see you in Baja
Do the best you can and enjoy your life
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Mike Humfreville
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fishunter
This guy is better then he used to be so I just roll with him. Hope all is well with you and that we see you soon. The main reason I'm thin king
4-stroke is simple less polution and that's a hard issue to argue with. I did like my OLD 15 2-stroke too. But with the level of maintenance I give
my equipment, life spans are short.
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Desertbull
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I have a 3-year old Nissan 2-stroke 25hp long shaft that has barely been used..it's sitting in the garage covered up. $1000 bucks and it's yours...my
wifey bought it for me 3 years ago for $2650 and it has 11 hours on it total.
email me at desertbull@off-road.com if interested.
Hasta..
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jrbaja
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That's right Mikey and company
bringing up some very valid pollution issues would certainly be considered anti-american in my books! Thats why you can't see in most of the water up
there.
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Santiago
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Hot diggity dog! I haven't seen a thread like this for about 18 months - and wouldn't you know - it took an outboard question! Reminded me of my
dad's ploy to meet new folks - he would pull into an unfamiliar trailer park, have a cooler of beers nearby, pop open the hood of the truck and lean
in. Before long, every good man in the park would stop by to get a free beer and offer their 2 cents to whatever problem my dad would make up. My 2
cts: 4 stroke, 25HP, Honda/Yamaha and bolt the mother on. Keep in mind you'll probably have an electric start - even more weight with the battery.
At your advanced age I doubt you could even pull-start one now, let alone in a couple of years.
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jrbaja
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"and bolt the mother on."
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Mike Humfreville
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Santiago
Good point with the electric start...Are 4-strokes harder to pull start? Most everyone says they start on 1st or 2nd pull. I'm leaning toward the
Honda 20 4-stroke with manual start.
Thanks to all for the advice.
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Don Jorge
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Mike,
The boat previous to my new boat had a 200 hp Honda 4 stroke main and a 15 hp Honda kicker, both 4 stroke. Both were electric start. The 200 had a
rope to start it in emergency situations although I never tried to do so. After all, that motor was basically an Accord motor on a boat and it never
missed a beat. The 15 was setup to start either or and was quite easy to start either or. Both motors worked silently, cleanly and once you have owned
a four stroke you would wonder what took so long to get this technology to market? For your 25 hp four stroke Honda I would recommend an electric
start knowing you had the option to pull start if necessary. We ain't getting any younger.
JR: Whats up with the some guy named Mike who once caught a bunch of dorado and since this is a Mike who asked a simple question seeking some simple
opinions this guy named Mike is accussed of contibuting to the destuction of the Sea of Cortez fishery in this thread?
Calmate. No vale le pena. Todos somos amigos! Paz carnal!
Jorge
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jrbaja
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It started here
Not if you care
about protecting the Sea of Cortez. 4 stroke is cleaner!
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Mike Humfreville
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JR
If you had paid attention to the thread that was where it was leading - 4-stroke. Please see my thread on the off topic forum to you and let us leave
the "outside talk" for there. Thanks.
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jrbaja
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Anyways, not trying to cause a ruckus, just thought it might be something to consider.
Does anyone not understand that ?
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David A.
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Mike,
Our Westerner is 14.8 feet and has the 20 inch transum, center console, floor boards, and 15hp (4 stroke) Honda manual start. It takes our coolers
(full), fishing gear, Yvonne and I all over the Bay at around 20 mph full throttle. With three people it will go onto plane but it is allot slower.
I think the 20hp 4 stroke will do you just right. By the way, my motor does start on the first pull 99.9% of the time.
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