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mtgoat666
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Why is it our (U.S.) fault if the 'working families' (of Mexico) are poor?
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Nobody is saying its your fault. Its simply a state, who has a budget, limited manpower, and cannot deal with a sudden rush of people into their
space. They have all the right to compliant againts both Mexico and the US. |
Maybe California should try this excuse next time they are over budget....
Should they send the delegation to Washington, Mexico, China, the world? All the above? |
Don't give them jobs, and they wont go there. Problem is in good times they need them, and in bad times they want to blame everything on them.
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sounds familiar! 
no, the problem is selective enforcement of the laws in both sovereign nations |
The practice of relying on walls instead of laws is rooted in racism, xenophobia, or wrong-headed nationalism.
I really think we should have open borders, and if y'all want to protect your jobs then make employers verify status before employment.
Tear down the wall!!!!
[Edited on 10-2-2009 by mtgoat666]
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Woooosh
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The days of America being the rich land of opportunity for everyone are over... |
The New Colossus
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
Last time I checked, this was still engraved on Lady Liberty.
It's why I'm proud to be an American. |
yes, and Lady Liberty is adjacent to the LEGAL point of entry for imigrants of the time- Ellis Island.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Taco de Baja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
The practice of relying on walls instead of laws is rooted in racism, xenophobia, or wrong-headed nationalism.
I really think we should have open borders, and if y'all want to protect your jobs then make employers verify status before employment.
Tear down the wall!!!!
[Edited on 10-2-2009 by mtgoat666] |
It would be great if the current employment laws were enforced, but it isn’t going happen.
In any event, isn't is racist and xenophobic to say "Show me your papers!" ? 
The only real way to protect your job is do it better than the next guy.
Truth generally lies in the coordination of antagonistic opinions
-Herbert Spencer
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... or for a lower salary.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Taco de Baja
The only real way to protect your job is do it better than the next guy. |
If that's going to be the criteria for advancement, you'll first have to get rid of unions.
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gnukid
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
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The only real way to protect your job is do it better than the next guy. |
If that's going to be the criteria for advancement, you'll first have to get rid of unions. |
Exactly Dennis, the only way to protect your job is stop eating onions.
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
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The only real way to protect your job is do it better than the next guy. |
If that's going to be the criteria for advancement, you'll first have to get rid of unions. |
Exactly Dennis, the only way to protect your job is stop eating onions. |
Huh???????????????? No comprendo.
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Taco de Baja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Taco de Baja
The only real way to protect your job is do it better than the next guy. |
If that's going to be the criteria for advancement, you'll first have to get rid of unions. |
Can we send the unions to Mexico? Maybe they could pick the onions.
Truth generally lies in the coordination of antagonistic opinions
-Herbert Spencer
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Taco de Baja
Can we send the unions to Mexico? Maybe they could pick the onions.
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Good idea. Mexico already has unions for most everything. In Mexico City at the city dumps, the ragpickers who live in the dumps are unionized.
There must be a million of them and anyone can see how the union has elevated their standard of living.
Just another voting block.
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However, the halcyon days of the American hegemony were marked by a strong union movement. It's an ebb and flow. I hope. Union workers made owners
very rich. Their wealth incited greed. They could make even more money if they got rid of the unions. Or maybe just shipped the jobs overseas.
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jeans
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
However, the halcyon days of the American hegemony were marked by a strong union movement. It's an ebb and flow. I hope. Union workers made owners
very rich. Their wealth incited greed. They could make even more money if they got rid of the unions. Or maybe just shipped the jobs overseas.
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Is Mexico outsourcing? In a Bay Area gift shop last month I saw a tag that said........
Hecho in Vietnam 
Mom always told me to be different - Now she says...Not THAT different
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Dave, I hope it is B.S.
You need prosperity and freedom for America to be prosperous... and these are on the way out with the gang in power now. |
makes one long for the incredible period of freedom and prosperity that reigned for eight fabulous years until last January 19th
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You must be referring to the freedom of the banksters to prosper by ripping off the rest of us under the
regime of no government regulation or oversight.
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flyfishinPam
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by flyfishinPam
sounds familiar!
no, the problem is selective enforcement of the laws in both sovereign nations |
The practice of relying on walls instead of laws is rooted in racism, xenophobia, or wrong-headed nationalism.
I really think we should have open borders, and if y'all want to protect your jobs then make employers verify status before employment.
Tear down the wall!!!!
[Edited on 10-2-2009 by mtgoat666] |
mr mt goat,
not being one who is thin skinned but please realize what you have just done. you placed a division between us by implying that my words were about
walls and racism. re-read what I have written please, and re-think your tactics in future arguments because we are on the same wavelength and wish
for the same things. ideals and opinions can be injected without the darts. suave con la persona, duro con la problema. peace.
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Bajahowodd
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I have been a long time advocate of open borders for North America. Gee. If over two dozen countries in Europe can do it....
Unfortunately, since 9/11, Washington has been able to conflate the terror war with what has now become a hot war for jobs in this recessionary time.
So more and bigger walls. Passport requirements. Thorough searches.
Who really believes that Osama Bin Laden will be hiding in the trunk of a car coming across the border?
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
I have been a long time advocate of open borders for North America. Gee. If over two dozen countries in Europe can do it....
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Are there any two of the two dozen countries in Europe that have such a diverse economy as the US and Mexico?
I don't know, just asking.
Seems to me that similar economies would be necessary for a comfortable two way flow of traffic across open borders. Mexico and the US don't have
that similarity, do we.
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Actually, not true. Aside from what Rumsfeld called Old Europe, there are vast differences, especially the old Soviet Block countries. And although,
we basically deal with three languages in North America, English, French and Spanish, the EU has twenty-something languages. Given their enlightened
education, well over half of the populace in the EU speaks English.
I tried to post a link to a study, and a chart therein, displaying the difference, but Nomad appears to limit the characters allow for a hot link. If
you Google Consumption and disposable Income in the EU Countries, you'll find that article.
Although it does not serve to support my point, I happened to spend time in both East and West Germany ten years after reunification, and the
differences in lifestyle and infrastructure were stunning.
[Edited on 10-3-2009 by Bajahowodd]
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BJSoccer16
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
I have been a long time advocate of open borders for North America. Gee. If over two dozen countries in Europe can do it....
Unfortunately, since 9/11, Washington has been able to conflate the terror war with what has now become a hot war for jobs in this recessionary time.
So more and bigger walls. Passport requirements. Thorough searches.
Who really believes that Osama Bin Laden will be hiding in the trunk of a car coming across the border? |
Open borders would mean all those people killing mercilessly in Tijuana would have quick access to the US of A. Do you really want el Teo in your
neighborhood?
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The Gull
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Do you really want el Teo in your neighborhood? |
His loyal men are in Phoenix and San Diego already committing crimes.
...and what is worse? His drugs in your neighborhood (where they are already) or him in your neighborhood?
Perhaps if he did come across the border, US Justice might get lucky and Teo could get unlucky.
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Southern Attractiions ?
Just where is that Mexico labbor that GoatScheisse's talking about ?
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Bravo for Arizona for finally passing a law to protect the jobs in that State for the citizens of that State. I wish they would do that in all the
USA. Back in the 60s when I was a kid growing up in Arizona. Jobs were easy to find for any teen that was looking for one. I worked at a hamburger
joint (Rickeys) during the HS year, then mowed grass for two summers (110 degrees) from sun up to sun down. One summer I went to Yuma and picked
cantelopes for two months getting paid by the poundage I picked. About 60 kids from Coronado & Scottsdale HS stayed in the WWII prisoner of war
barracks with no air. We needed the $ to supplement our family's income.
Do these jobs sound familiar to you! These are the jobs that are mainly done by illegals today in CA. It was really hard for my kids and I'm sure
other kids in CA to find jobs because many entry-level, non-skilled jobs are taken up by the invaders from the south. There was an article in the San
Diego paper last week where the illegals are complaining cuz there are now gringos standing in line for jobs at the Home Depots. The nerve.
Let's keep jobs in the USA for USA citizens only. Our days are over being a wealthy country. Let our kids have the opportunity I had to learn a work
ethic and the value of $ at an early age so they will become skilled and confident to take on the world.
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