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woody with a view
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i'll guess!
when hell opens an ice rink.....
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Bajahowodd
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Got my skates out. Care to do a round?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
Oh lord..... How would you describe then, the fact that the state police, the pep, and the federal police, has NOT made ANY significant arrest in the
past years? what would you call then, the fact that TWICE!!! members of the governors very own personal guard, have been arrested with guns, drugs,
and cartel members? what would you call then the fact, that convicted drug dealers, have confessed in detail, that they gave millions of dollars for
their political campaigns to former mayors and congress members in Baja? how would you describe the fact that, the former army general in charge of
drug fighting in Baja who was actually doing a very good job, got removed and was retired at the request of the governor who couldnt deal with the
general claims that the state goverment was sabotaging their efforts?
The whole Tijuana police force has NOT been replaced, only some corrupt cops have been fired or arrested. And they themselves rutinely post messages
in newspapers, complaining that their old and weak bullet proof vests,regular cars, and AR-15s, can't compete against AK-47s, grenades, cop killer
guns, and all the top equipment that narcos have.
To finish, Mexican police has been trained many times before by not only the San Diego Police, but by the FBI, DEA, Colombian Police, etc etc etc etc
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Guess what??
Those law enforcement agencies can train, but they cant supervise and follow up on how that training is being used out in the field.
We have seen all of this, many many times before, and it hasnt worked. |
This is similar to Columbia, and in Columbia the war has dragged on far too many decades. If mexican govt allows things to continue spiraling out of
control, the cartels will morph to rebel armies with political agendas.
The drug war won't stop until you throw missiles down on the cartels and take out their leaders and armies. The Mexican government needs to declare
war against the cartels, and Mexican army needs to use predator drones, missiles and helicopter gunships to take out cartels.
If Mexican govt doesn't get a handle on the problem, then you may see US military conducting operations in Mexico within the next decade or two.
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I just went back and looked at the readers comments to the article in AFN. All the Mexicans agree with Jesse.
No soy por ni contra apatía.
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k-rico
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| Quote: | Originally posted by arrowhead
I just went back and looked at the readers comments to the article in AFN. All the Mexicans agree with Jesse. |
Wait a minute. "All the Mexicans"? I don't need to explain how silly that statement is, do I?
Jesse said:
"The solution to all of their problems are pretty simple and straight forward. ARREST the one single cell of criminals, who everybody knows, is doing
the kidnapping, killing police, and destroying their economy."
I'm taking issue with that statement. It implies that the problems could be easily ended but the authorities are chosing not to. That the authorities
are OK with the violence and the extreme damage to the economy. That this "fact" is known by the millions of citizens of BC and they just accept it.
That this "fact" is known by the Calderon and his army and he does nothing.
It also implies that if the "one single cell of criminals" is arrested no new ones would come along. Maybe "better the devil I know" is coming into
play (as I think it should).
It's almost impossible to believe things are as simplistic as Jesse thinks.
[Edited on 10-4-2009 by k-rico]
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woody with a view
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Got my skates out. Care to do a round? |
sadly, living at the beach all my life has produced in me an inability to do anything on ice but fall. so the short answer is, "no!"
but thanks for asking!
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durrelllrobert
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
So what does this say about the existing Tourist Police in Rosarito? They haven't done much to increase tourism in the past year- have they? Just
another propaganda ploy IMHO. |
Isn't it illrgal to impersonate a policeman in Mexico? 
Bob Durrell
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I would think impersonating a policeman would be the same as wearing a shirt with a target on the back.............
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by SDRonni
I would think impersonating a policeman would be the same as wearing a shirt with a target on the back............. |
...or standing next to one.  
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
Man, what a bunch of cynics. You could look at it as more cops on the street, which is the classic response to crime problems.
I don't get where you guys are coming from. |
The solution to all of their problems are pretty simple and straight forward. ARREST the one single cell of criminals, who everybody knows, is doing
the kidnapping, killing police, and destroying their economy. |
OK, so you believe that the authorities know who the bad guys are and let them do their thing; i.e., killing and kidnapping people, including police,
and destroying the tourist business. You think the authorities are OK with that, right?
[Edited on 10-3-2009 by k-rico] |
I don't believe, it is a well known FACT in Baja Norte. |
seconded!
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
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Man, what a bunch of cynics. You could look at it as more cops on the street, which is the classic response to crime problems.
I don't get where you guys are coming from. |
So...how is the "classic response" working out so far? You want more of the same? |
There's a whole lot of dead bad guys. The vast majority of the murders have been narcos. I do wish the war had never started but Pandora's box has
been opened. Could be there is no turning back. I said could be. It's debatable.
Besides, these tourist cops won't be busting drug dealers, will they? |
I don't think even the regular police bust drug dealers- it is a federal crime responded to by the Mexican feds.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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"This force will be trained by the San Diego police department." Is that why SD Mayor Sanders is included? Or does "combined" mean that some SD
police officers will be stationed in TJ? Now I'm all for combating crime and protecting tourists, but San Diego is in deep doo doo finance-wise -
huge debt, layoffs, etc. Now San Diego is going to use its resources to help Mexican tourism? If SD is going to use its police force with respect to
Mexico and its problems, police action should be aimed at car theft, drug importation, petty theft - all the perpetrators from Mexico; all the victims
in San Diego - this is a daily occurrence.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wilderone
"This force will be trained by the San Diego police department." Is that why SD Mayor Sanders is included? Or does "combined" mean that some SD
police officers will be stationed in TJ? Now I'm all for combating crime and protecting tourists, but San Diego is in deep doo doo finance-wise -
huge debt, layoffs, etc. Now San Diego is going to use its resources to help Mexican tourism? If SD is going to use its police force with respect to
Mexico and its problems, police action should be aimed at car theft, drug importation, petty theft - all the perpetrators from Mexico; all the victims
in San Diego - this is a daily occurrence. |
It is hard to figure out what the roles will be. No chance of any USA cops physically being in TJ though- talk about a PR nightmare if something went
"wrong". It's true that SD has no taxpayer money to waste. I'm fairly sure there is a grant or slush fund for stuff like this out there for them
though ... somewhere.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
I'm fairly sure there is a grant or slush fund for stuff like this out there for them though ... somewhere. |
Merida Initiative funds perhaps?
Has the US released any of that carrot-on-a-stick money yet?
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If any type of stimulus money is going to be used, I'm telling. I'm quite sure federal money supplied to stimulate the US economy would be illegally
spent if the purpose of the expenditure is to train a foreign police force or supply any type of equipment whatsoever, all for the intent to promote
Mexican tourism. Sanders thinks we have mutual interests and this political boondoggle has binational effect - NO WRONG INCORRECT. Mexicans don't
have a problem with crossing the border into the US, spending their money in San Diego or fear getting shot by SD police or bribed during phony
traffic stops. Sanders is a fool.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wilderone
Sanders is a fool. |
I have to agree. Decisions, such as this, are what you get when ex-police and military are allowed to run your government. After thirty years doing
the same thing, one's mind tends to be stuck in a rut.
Tourism Police. What a joke. What's next, Friendship Police? If they were serious about giving the tourists a fair shake, they'd just can every
cop who has an extortion complaint filed against him but, that's as naive a notion as thinking a police unit in Bermuda Shorts and on bicycles will
stop the nonsense.
But, what the heck, if Torres and Sanders say it will work, who are we rubes to think differently. They both have perfect records of infallable
decisions.
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k-rico
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wilderone
Sanders thinks we have mutual interests and this political boondoggle has binational effect - NO WRONG INCORRECT. |
Really?
I wonder if the San Diego convention center, the San Diego hotels, and the San Diego tourism organizations ever used San Diego's proximty to Mexico as
a positive marketing tool that brought business to the city?
When I was working I frequently had to entertain out-of-town business associates from the East Coast. Many times, at their request, that included a
trip to TJ for trinket shopping, dinner, and drinks.
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k-rico
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
But, what the heck, if Torres and Sanders say it will work, who are we rubes to think differently. |
haha, gotcha! 
[Edited on 10-6-2009 by k-rico]
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"I wonder if the San Diego convention center, the San Diego hotels, and the San Diego tourism organizations ever used San Diego's proximty to Mexico
as a positive marketing tool that brought business to the city?"
Si - you have a point. But what are the hard statistics? How many people in SD hotels and organizations booking a convention in SD made that choice
simply because they want to cross the border? Also, this special force wearing special uniforms is primarily to patrol Mex. 1 and points south of
Ensenada as well. The vast majority of TJ daytrippers out of San Diego never gets past Revolucion Ave. It's only grandstanding politics if there's
no hard business data to support the theory that this will be something to improve San Diego's economy.
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Woooosh
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Zeta published El Teo's picture on the front page of the paper yesterday. It is the first time anyone has dared to print it. All bets for local
public safety are off for a while... He's really peeed off and it's gonna be ugly.
The Union Trib (in the article about the three cops slain last week) says El Teo is paying drug addicts $300-500 for each cop they kill.
Besides- this is all a propaganda ploy. The local police have no expectations of doing anything better or making anything safer:
"The training will probably be more along the lines of enhancing cultural sensitivity to northerners than about police professionalization, said Jorge
Eduardo Montero Alvarez, Rosarito's secretary of public safety."
[Edited on 10-6-2009 by Woooosh]
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