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The announcement of this planned megaport was over four years ago. At that time, the land grab among those believing they could profit began.
“The project already has prompted business activity in the area. Prices for land at Colonet, owned mostly by small ejido communal groups, reportedly
have soared from 5 cents a square meter to $5.”
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/20050814-9999-1n14...
So who bought the worthless land in 2005, and who's putting pressure on the pundits and politicians now so they can unload their holdings? That's all
this story is about.
When has Mexico ever pulled off something of this magnitude with success? And its success requires the cooperation of the US border towns which will
bear the brunt of truck traffic, demands of industrial storage, housing, roads, security and inspections of all types, federal approval of port of
entry construction, staffing, etc.
Bajagringo, do you believe everything you hear from Mexican politicians?
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And:
http://banderasnews.com/0604/re-bajafrenzy.htm
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wilderone
Bajagringo, do you believe everything you hear from Mexican politicians? |
Now be careful, wilderone. Bajagringo is going to call you a name. "Nancy" is already taken.
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Is the new hoarhouse/hotel on the highway in Colonet finished yet?
Now that's what I call progress!
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
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Funny. I thought sort of the same thing. Getting in on the ground floor. That place is kinda in the middle of nowhere.
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Evaluation of Punta Colonet Multimodal Project Plan
For anyone interested in a thorough understanding of the project, I have spoken with of the project reviewer who authored THIS REPORT --- Energy and Environmental Research Associates, LLC of Pittsford, NY.
The TWO most important items of note are:
(1) “[t]he expansion of the Panama Canal almost single-handedly kills Punta Colonet.” <<< from the "DAN" report
(2) project proponents EXCLUDE "planned and ongoing developments and expansions at existing West Coast ports (including Prince Rupert, LA/LB,
Vancouver, Oakland, and SEA/TAC). Current capacity estimates used in the plan only account for expected expansions through 2010, though most
expansions are scheduled to be complete in 2011 or later."
The critique is actually quite interesting and informative. If you do not want to read the entire document, at least read the executive summary for
highlights and scan the table of contents for interests you.
There are various other reports available HERE in both Spanish and English.
[Edited on 10-26-2009 by bryanmckenzie]
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Geez. After getting to the Conclusions and Recommendations, I just have to wonder how much these folks were paid for this. Sorry, but I really didn't
learn much. Just more economic hoars.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Geez. After getting to the Conclusions and Recommendations, I just have to wonder how much these folks were paid for this. Sorry, but I really didn't
learn much. Just more economic hoars. |
I don't understand what you are talking about, Howard. I have read a lot of reports and studies in my career, and this one covers a lot of ground not
covered by anyone else, as near as I can tell. It raises some very important points, for instance:
1) The existing West Coast ports are under capacity now and still have expansion plans that make Punta Colonet totally superfluous for the next 20
years.
2) The West Coast ports can expand faster and cheaper than Colonet because they already have the road/rail infrastructure in place.
3) The total shipment time from the Orient will still be faster and cheaper to a West Coast port because the sea shipping distance is shorter via the
great circle route. Even Vancouver is a shorter shipping distance than Colonet.
4) No border crossing delays into the US market.
5) Colonet is not a good location for shipment to the interior of Mexico because the land route is circuitous.
The report summarizes it best:
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Even with conservative assumptions regarding West Coast port capacity improvements, projections suggest that Punta Colonet will be unnecessary—and
thus likely unprofitable—for the foreseeable future.
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Actually, it's very beneficial --- showing how flawed the government's assumptions are upon which the need/economics are based.
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Geez. After getting to the Conclusions and Recommendations, I just have to wonder how much these folks were paid for this. Sorry, but I really didn't
learn much. Just more economic hoars. |
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Megaport, not Megapart
You should correct the typo so that this post will show up when searching "port".
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So is that hotel finished or not? I mean you guys can fantisize all you want about a giant port. But have they even finished a simple hotel yet?
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
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It's dead. Scaled down to zero.
| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
| Quote: | Originally posted by arrowhead
Colonet is just a dream.
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Yes Nancy, if you say so...
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In today's El Vigia. Now the government minister is saying that the project is not viable and cannot move forward without the rail line and the
permission to cross into the US. He says they expect that permission to take 8 to 10 years to get from the US. In the meantime, the Colonet
ejidatarios are mad because they are prohibited from starting any other projecst on the property.
I'll bet BajaGabacho can pick up that land he says the Big Three automakers have down there for one centavo on the peso.
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I did notice the hotel south of town is coming along.
Maybe 6 months to a year and it might be finished.
Looks like they might have a restuarant too.
It's a start.
Megaport 2020?
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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This MegaPort Colonet was a good idea!
You cannot fault the Mexican people and their investors for thinking of this.
If you have ever looked at a satelite photo of Punta Colonet and whatever the nearby point is, you would see that it looks just like LA Harbor before
it was a harbor.
The La Harbor breakwater is at least 10 miles long. It is a true wonder. I've flown over it many times. Many large ships waiting to unload cargo.
All the granite bolders that make the breakwater came from the east end of Santa Catalina island by barge. And they barely made a dent. They are still
mining granite there.
The harbor is the FAA designated practice area for Long Beach airport. Lots of trafic.
Someday, Colonet will be the same.
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
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Thanks
Bryan, thanks for the link.. aahhh would say the "review" brings up some very salient points which would have to be in place, prior to any movement on
this project.. and suspect those point/issues have been the "deal breaker" on this project.
You can't get the funding if you can't answer all the questions to satisfy the "money" side of the equation..
And another issue which was not discussed, or I did not see it, (I just skimmed it) was what market will be left in the United States after the
re-indexing of our way of life in the next 8-14 months.. when all the numbers really start to set in.. like "where's the BEEF".. who and/or how is the
United States going to finance it's debit.. print more money???
| Quote: | Originally posted by bryanmckenzie
For anyone interested in a thorough understanding of the project, I have spoken with of the project reviewer who authored THIS REPORT --- Energy and Environmental Research Associates, LLC of Pittsford, NY.
The TWO most important items of note are:
(1) “[t]he expansion of the Panama Canal almost single-handedly kills Punta Colonet.” <<< from the "DAN" report
(2) project proponents EXCLUDE "planned and ongoing developments and expansions at existing West Coast ports (including Prince Rupert, LA/LB,
Vancouver, Oakland, and SEA/TAC). Current capacity estimates used in the plan only account for expected expansions through 2010, though most
expansions are scheduled to be complete in 2011 or later."
The critique is actually quite interesting and informative. If you do not want to read the entire document, at least read the executive summary for
highlights and scan the table of contents for interests you.
There are various other reports available HERE in both Spanish and English.
[Edited on 10-26-2009 by bryanmckenzie] |
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Plus, the Colonet port would increase competition for the Port of Lázaro Cárdenas and the Mexican politicians in that area (Michoacan) think it would
be best to expand what is already Mexico's largest Pacific ocean deep water port.
And the operators of US Gulf of Mexico ports (New Orleans, Mobile AL) of course want the business but the Panama Canal's insufficient lock widths are
a problem. I suppose they could be widened.
[Edited on 2-2-2010 by k-rico]
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"Now the government minister is saying that the project is not viable and cannot move forward without the rail line and the permission to cross into
the US. He says they expect that permission to take 8 to 10 years to get from the US. In the meantime, the Colonet ejidatarios are mad because they
are prohibited from starting any other projecst on the property."
Now really - isn't that what I said? I'm glad they took my advice! HA!!
Fishbuck - any viability of the port is not dependnet on the port site itself - it's the rail line, the entry point into the US, and all ramifications
thereof. Just not feasible or that necessary.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
Plus, the Colonet port would increase competition for the Port of Lázaro Cárdenas and the Mexican politicians in that area (Michoacan) think it would
be best to expand what is already Mexico's largest Pacific ocean deep water port.
That would be Manzanillo, Colima.
And the operators of US Gulf of Mexico ports (New Orleans, Mobile AL) of course want the business but the Panama Canal's insufficient lock widths are
a problem. I suppose they could be widened.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
Plus, the Colonet port would increase competition for the Port of Lázaro Cárdenas and the Mexican politicians in that area (Michoacan) think it would
be best to expand what is already Mexico's largest Pacific ocean deep water port.
And the operators of US Gulf of Mexico ports (New Orleans, Mobile AL) of course want the business but the Panama Canal's insufficient lock widths are
a problem. I suppose they could be widened.
[Edited on 2-2-2010 by k-rico] |
I believe the Panama Canal is being widened at this time.
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