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DENNIS
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They must have really screwed with the wrong person. Usually these guys do their thing with impunity.
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rts551
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Doesn't the article only talk about one person being arrested?
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arrowhead
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
They must have really screwed with the wrong person. Usually these guys do their thing with impunity. |
Maybe their big crime was not upstreaming a piece of the action to La Paz?
No soy por ni contra apatía.
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longlegsinlapaz
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I've been dealing with the La Paz Immigration office for 10 years & have yet to have experienced anything other than professionalism....well,
except for ONE very rude new woman who might have a problem with gringos! None of
the folks there have ever even hinted at mordita. Nor have I ever spoken with anyone who's dealt with the La Paz office being charged bogus fees.
On the other hand, I've heard from friends about major "irregularities" involving $$ in the Loreto office for years! They apparently haven't seen the
need to send people to the bank to pay for a long time!
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Marie-Rose
Hopefully at some point you will get over your negative experience of time in Baja Ron.
The fact that someone blew the whistle and it is being investigated is a very good thing!!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Loretana
Apparently our migracion office here in Loreto was hit by an investigation into corrupt practices......and Honorio and Oscar are being detained in La
Paz by Federal authorities!
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And this suprises you ? |
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I always has a good experience at the La Paz Immigration office, However Loretto has had a really bad reputation for many years.
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Marla Daily
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Immigration
When renewing my FM2 this week, I was stopped by a very attractive savvy Mexican woman outside the immigration office as I left. She asked me to go to
the Hotel Santa Fe where officials from Mexico City were gathering evidence and taking testimony against Oscar and Honorio.
This Mexican woman said she initiated this raid as a result of the attempted extortion or deportation of her BRITISH husband.
On Tuesday she said that Oscar was in jail (parents own Cafe Ole); that Hororio was not in jail YET, pending additional evidence and testimony. They
also removed someone in Santa Rosalia.
There is now a woman heading Loreto immigration (Gina, Jenny, something like that). Her two assistants are Robin (tall and kind) and Daniel. She said
she does not like having to live in Loreto as there are no malls and not even a movie theatre. She is from La Paz.
Among other things, it is alleged people were given the option of paying fees at the bank or at the immigration office. Money paid at the immigration
office was never reported.
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comitan
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CaboRon You sure have a short memory.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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Dave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by longlegsinlapaz
On the other hand, I've heard from friends about major "irregularities" involving $$ in the Loreto office for years! They apparently haven't seen the
need to send people to the bank to pay for a long time! |
For years?
If so, why are we just now hearing about it?
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oldlady
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Santiago
| Quote: | Originally posted by oldlady
I dunno about that, but I was at the La Paz office for renewal this morning.
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I thought after you become elderly renewals weren't required anymore. NO? |
More things, more frequently.
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Hook
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by longlegsinlapaz
On the other hand, I've heard from friends about major "irregularities" involving $$ in the Loreto office for years! They apparently haven't seen the
need to send people to the bank to pay for a long time! |
For years?
If so, why are we just now hearing about it? |
Isnt it obvious, Dave?
Screw with the local government entity that can initiate deportment proceedings and all the loss of personal property that can involve? Most will just
pay up. The majority of those who deal with INM are foreigners with poor Spanish. They are taken advantage of.............just like in the country
north of here.
I will say that the extorted amounts out of the Guaymas office are much less. My wife got off with some home-baked cookies. We had expectations this
might work; the main culprit is a rather portly woman. 
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oldlady
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
the main culprit is a rather portly woman. |
Lowest of the low..
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longlegsinlapaz
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by longlegsinlapaz
On the other hand, I've heard from friends about major "irregularities" involving $$ in the Loreto office for years! They apparently haven't seen the
need to send people to the bank to pay for a long time! |
For years?
If so, why are we just now hearing about it? |
Because when a former Loreto resident that told me in casual conversation that he paid up front for his FM3 renewal & 2-3 months later still
didn't have his FM3 back in hand....I said "You mean you made the payment at the bank & took the paid receipt back to Immigration
office....right?" He said, "No, the guy in Immigration told me the cost I paid him & he took it." I advised him of how the process is
supposed to happen & my friend made a trip to La Paz to talk with the Immigration officials here, they took his statement & said they
were initiating an investigation.
So Dave, the official complaint was registered with the appropriate authorities....you'll have to ask them why you were left out of
the loop!
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rockman
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The following was received from Lynn Hamman's Loreto Website:
"Immigration Issues:
Many of you are aware of the current problems with Immigration issues and the arrest of Oscar Davis. A commission from Mexico city came to
investigate but they didn't think the problem was this big. Therefore, they are asking all the people that have had issues with migration because of
mistreats or bribes feel free to come and present their statement; there is nothing to be afraid of. Any foreigner can come to the Ministrerio
Publico Agency in Nopolo and make their statement; it will be confidential and they can address the issues.
Check out the links below:
http://espanol.news.yahoo.com/s/11122009/4/n-latam-confirma-...
http://www.elsiglodetorreon.com.mx/noticia/485256.detienen-a...
http://colectivopericu.wordpress.com/2009/12/12/detienen-a-f...
If you are afraid to go to the police (ministerio publico in Nopolo) please send your complaint through the website www.inm.gob.mx. Every case will be treated confidentially."
Here is our chance, finally, to put these guys where they belong. If you are in Loreto now, tell them your stories. If not, use the website to
report misuse of office that you have witnessed.
We must set an example for all those who follow. If we do nothing, we will have only ourselves to blame for what follows.
A young lady had the guts to initiate this; we should all support her.
[Edited on 12-20-2009 by rockman]
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Santiago
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he federal agent Oscar Castaneda Davis seconded for the office in town of Loreto Baja California Sur, was made available to the Ministry by the
Federal Public Found in flagrante delicto in an irregular fact while performing his duties as a public servant.
This from the last link above after running it through Google Translate: what in the world does 'in flagrante delicto' mean???? Can't possibly be
what I first thought. Can't be.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Santiago
what in the world does 'in flagrante delicto' mean???? Can't possibly be what I first thought. Can't be. |
It means caught in the act. Usually applied to sexual indiscretions.
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Dave
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When?
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So Dave, the official complaint was registered with the appropriate authorities....you'll have to ask them why you
were left out of the loop! |
Years ago? 
I meant:
If this has been going on for years then why hasn't it been reported here...year after year? 
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Loretana
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Santiago
he federal agent Oscar Castaneda Davis seconded for the office in town of Loreto Baja California Sur, was made available to the Ministry by the
Federal Public Found in flagrante delicto in an irregular fact while performing his duties as a public servant.
This from the last link above after running it through Google Translate: what in the world does 'in flagrante delicto' mean???? Can't possibly be
what I first thought. Can't be. |
Santiago.....
the article said "in flagrante delito" the key word, being "delito"which means crime. So, what they are saying, is, he was caught in the act of
committing a crime.
There is something to be said for learning the lingua franca of the country you are living in...........
Forget these so called translation programs! Get your dictionary out and learn some spanish.
[Edited on 12-20-2009 by Loretana]
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Santiago
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Loretana
Santiago.....
There is something to be said for learning the lingua franca of the country you are living in...........
[Edited on 12-20-2009 by Loretana] |
I live in Nor Cal.
Although your point is well taken and agreed with.
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Loretana
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Come down here and take the "Baja Immersion Course"......
the best way to learn the language is to live here, hang with the locals and just dive in!
Pretty soon, you'll be laughing at their jokes, chatting up your neighbors and dreaming in espanol. I highly recommend it. 
"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration."
-Nikola Tesla
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rockman
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The safe website for reporting to the Federales your experiences with Immigracion officials is:
www.inm.gob.mx
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