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Regarding arrowshead post
The name of our martial art is Tang Soo Do and the name of our profesor is John Robertson and i was 14 years old when he was sent back to the USA.
Not much I could do.
I still stand for non violence, specially rock vs gun.
Sincerely
Arq. Salvador Velazco
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| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
That is quite an act of desperation for the poor guy who was throwing rocks. It doesn't mean he is stupid. It just means that he is suddenly dead.
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Throwing rocks is an act of desperation?
C'mon, Tony. It's an act of agression. A brutal attack.
Shoot to kill. |
Seems another group of individuals throw a lot of rocks.. and the other side does not open up on them.. I'm referring to the Palestinians vs the
Israelis .. just one example of armed individuals not using lethal force against "rock" throwers..
I must say I admire their restraint... that would be a hard one... 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by soulpatch
If this is your definition of restraint against rock throwers I'd love to read how you define aggression! |
Weren't they throwing Qassam rockets?
No soy por ni contra apatía.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Salvador
I still stand for non violence, specially rock vs gun.
Sincerely
Arq. Salvador Velazco |
Isn't throwing a rock violence? By the way, did you train with Rafael (mano negro) Munoz?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by soulpatch
If this is your definition of restraint against rock throwers I'd love to read how you define aggression!
| Quote: | Originally posted by wessongroup
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
That is quite an act of desperation for the poor guy who was throwing rocks. It doesn't mean he is stupid. It just means that he is suddenly dead.
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Throwing rocks is an act of desperation?
C'mon, Tony. It's an act of agression. A brutal attack.
Shoot to kill. |
Seems another group of individuals throw a lot of rocks.. and the other side does not open up on them.. I'm referring to the Palestinians vs the
Israelis .. just one example of armed individuals not using lethal force against "rock" throwers..
I must say I admire their restraint... that would be a hard one... |
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Thought the subject was folks throwing rocks without guns?
And I unaware "definitions" were being posted, as I never claimed my post to be a "definition"... only an example of a large group of people who throw
a lot of rocks, just about daily.. and the people that are on the receiving end have some heavy duty fire power.. and don't open up on unarmed rock
throwers... think the same was true in Ireland for sometime.. however there was an example a number of years ago, where the British did open up on the
rock throwers.. killed quite a few, men, women and children... yeah, they brought a rock to a gun fight, only sad thing.... they didn't know the rules
had changed for the day...
As for the job of BP, you bet it is one dangerous job, as is a crab fisherman, firemen, police officers and a lot of others and I take my hat off to
those that have the "balls/guts/your choice" to pull the duty.... day in and day out..
Here is a type of aggression:
"It's all worked out for the best, anyway. The Aborigines wouldn't have done anything worthwhile with the land and now, thanks to our societal
collective guilt, they're turning into Casino Magnates serving up mediocre food and yesterday's talent to attract suckers thinking they're going to
get lucky.
People have a RIGHT to that land which they can HOLD on to. They should have done a better job developing Technology."
A form of aggression, and a mind set which feels completely at ease with this type of aggression, no harm no foul... it's from the board from one of
our memebers
I do agree, if anyone with a gun tells you to do something.. just do it!! I do, and I have made this far with that thinking... as I have had a few
pulled on me..
Used to worry about it, but one day after a lot of really bad problems at work and with the wife all day long, when I pulling into the garage, the
garage door opener released and came down on the hood of the car as I was pulling in. I was just sitting there thinking why me.. and this large
booming voice thundered out from the above .. "There is something about you that just pi***s me off" from then on it's all be easy
Hope this helps in understanding my post, as it is only a comment on the condition of life which we observed and talk about every day you can draw up
side but it really doesn't change the situation which contributes to confrontation and/or rock throwing
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| Quote: | Rocks Kill if it hits your head! Someone throws rocks at me [depending on the distance and size of rock] "Deadly Force Is Authorized"
PERIOD!
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Edit: Content and GIF
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TO ARROWHEAD
To arrowhead
Our only instructors : Mr John Robertson and Mr Chuck Norris.
Thats it.
and regarding Mayor Jorge Ramos event :He is too gracious and I am very undeserving.
Who are you ?
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Arq. Salvador Velazco
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this is why i don't trust law enforcement. there are whack jobs on the force that think it's OK to shoot when faced with a kid throwing rocks, and
other competent law enforcement officials cover up or condone mistakes of the bad law enforcement staff instead of cleaning house of bad cops.
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A thrown rock is a guided missle.
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Working it Out
Since Wesson Oil decided a comment from me was appropriate to this thread for whatever reason, I'll just say that It DID all work out for the Best.
Without us, they wouldn't have had all those Casinos that let them sit around doing whatever they do.
As far as the Rocks go, Deadly Force deserves Deadly Force.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
this is why i don't trust law enforcement. there are whack jobs on the force that think it's OK to shoot when faced with a kid throwing rocks, and
other competent law enforcement officials cover up or condone mistakes of the bad law enforcement staff instead of cleaning house of bad cops.
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PS: You may use this as your Avatar but expect it to be used in a post when you make a statement like you did!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
Since Wesson Oil decided a comment from me was appropriate to this thread for whatever reason, I'll just say that It DID all work out for the Best.
Without us, they wouldn't have had all those Casinos that let them sit around doing whatever they do.
As far as the Rocks go, Deadly Force deserves Deadly Force. |
Good to see your back on track, and consistent
In this situation, someone stated that I was using a working "definition" in my post dealing with rock throwing. I had stated that the restraint used
by the Israeli Army who face this situation sometimes on a daily basis, and I stated I found this admiral on their part, under such difficult
conditions.
I was indirectly asked, that by the individual what would be, my "definition" of "aggression".
As the rock throwing was getting down to do with "aggression" vs "defense".
I used the "text" of your post as an example of a type of "aggression"
Your statement is your statement and glad to see you steeping up to the plate..
As to "Wesson Oil" ... I put my sorry A** right out front "God and Country" so everyone can see: who, what, where, when and why about me... that's
just the way I am...
And for you, your "statement" clearly shows... this is YOU!!
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"That's the problem with chatboards
and limited statements on the internet."- Soulpatch
You are responding to selective quotes that are edited by those posters who wish to grab a part that would support their philosophy. That's OK. I do
it myself. But you must read the whole post that the selective extraction was taken from in order to get the whole context before you respond.
I guess, from your insinuations that you are a cop. Nothing wrong with that. We taxpayers expect protection and discerning quick judgment of our
officers. I don't share your (and some others) view that rock throwers should be shot dead. It is not an equal stand off. Sure, rocks can cause
injury, but there must be other ways to diffuse the confrontation.
To shoot them dead is wrong! You have the firepower, and with that comes the responsibility to assess the situation correctly. You are trained and
licensed to do so.
To shoot to kill is a last resort, unless you see a firearm brandished. An officer who kills a human being is usually relieved of his duty until the
situation is investigated. One reason is because of the trauma and remorse caused to the officer. When I read attitudes condoning "shoot to kill" rock
throwers, I lose respect for that officer, and if not reprimanded, his command. You do not make us feel safer!
If you are that chickensh*t, to shoot to kill because you are afraid, or you have a preconceived bias, you do not belong in your occupation. 
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Rocks kill or cause Great Bodily Injury. Deadly Force is authorized in those instances. If some “Punk” comes up and starts throwing rocks he is doing
so to severely injure or kill someone. It’s a graveyard move on their part and will solicit a deadly response. It will be deadly because no one is
taught to shoot an arm or a leg. They are taught to shoot center mass to eliminate a threat and if the head gets hit, oh well I don’t have a problem
with it because it usually terminates the threat immediately. The good guys are supposed to go home after the encounter, but some don’t and that
really peees Me Off! I’ve been there, done that, and bought the f-ing tee shirt!
Edited: To add GIF for em·pha·sis!
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Your posts don't change my opinion. I disagree with your stances and that's the way it is.
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God help us!
Edit: To induct Tony into the Taser Hall of Fame!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ELINVESTI8
Rocks kill or cause Great Bodily Injury. Deadly Force is authorized in those instances. If some “Punk” comes up and starts throwing rocks he is doing
so to severely injure or kill someone. It’s a graveyard move on their part and will solicit a deadly response. It will be deadly because no one is
taught to shoot an arm or a leg. They are taught to shoot center mass to eliminate a threat and if the head gets hit, oh well I don’t have a problem
with it because it usually terminates the threat immediately. The good guys are supposed to go home after the encounter, but some don’t and that
really peees Me Off! I’ve been there, done that, and bought the f-ing tee shirt!
Edited: To add GIF for em·pha·sis!
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i have always thought that most people in law enforcement are nut jobs,... elvis8 is a good example.
law enforcement careers attract nuts who are borderline sociopaths. same type of nuts that shoot when kids throw rocks. cowards that hide behind a
badge and carry guns that substitute for a small pen!ses. people that have little comprehension of civil rights and view world in black and white,
incapable of seeing gray.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by soulpatch
I could give a chiite if someone throwing rocks is shot by a BP. I say good shooting!
I challenge any of you naysayers to patrol those areas 24/7 and experience that type of assault without worrying about your life.
It's fricking dangerous. |
What do you know about danger?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by soulpatch
Hey Toneart,
I suggest you read the whole post.
I was pretty clear about it.
And, if you read to the bottom, you will see I am a member of the IAFF.
So, if you want to call me chickenchit, well, you can blow me.
And, subsequent to that, feel free to pay me a visit anytime.
Trust me, I am not afraid......that is too fricking funny.
You have obviously never worked in a border zone. I have had the opportunity to do so and located more than one dead migrant for the ME after their
journey didn't pan out so well.
Try it sometime, it is dark and dangerous.
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Hey dude keep it clean kids read this.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by soulpatch
Feel free to name me directly.
I am always open to correction or contradiction.
The Israeli's ain't no saints. I was just pointing out what I thought was a funny example. It certainly was not an attack, rather an observation.
Can't have too thin of skin here on this faceless medium. |
An oversight on my part, please excuse.. as your on "point" all the time.. and I understand your feelings on the subject.. as I'm not out there.... by
myself, sometimes in the dark, with individuals intent on "achieving a goal" some with not a mean bone in their body... but, things change real fast
and you have about a second to make a call.... it's that simple, and each time it's not the same...
Have never said that I hold nothing but respect for those that "walk the walk".. we may talk about it, but they all people that are doing it... on
both sides
I'm glad for all the help, we don't say it enough to the folks that serve us daily, all of them.. plus to really get off point.. we don't take good
enough care of them that serve their County and get hurt.. they deserve the best medical care one can get anywhere.. they gave all... NOW.. yeah, I
know some have problems with the "mentality" of first responders... but, if you is one .. you had better have to s**t wrapped tight!!! LOL ..if your
going outside to WORK!!!
For Soulpatch
Wiley
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