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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ELINVESTIG8R
AudioBaja, You, do not have to leave Baja Nomad. Just be careful what you say about Mexicans because you are a foreigner someone could turn you in if
they think you are breaking the law. Jesse may have a point. Mexicans come on here and see what is written. Just be careful. |
Interesting topic. Not a particularly good one- just interesting. It went from trying to obtaining papers for $100 to threats of domestic meddling
pretty quickly.
Is BajaNomads a Mexican or USA based blog? What if you post from the USA? If you post from the USA to a USA blog- how does it become illegal
protesting within Mexico? Because someone in Mexico reads it? Even if you post from Mexico to a USA blog- I doubt it could be considered protesting
within Mexico. Are blog posts on Nomads even considered political meddling? Suppression is oppression. You think the Chinese are threatening US
bloggers with Chinese prosecution if you criticize them? JMHO though...
I fully agree Americans shouldn't participate in public political protests within Mexico. But why would anyone want to? We created a constitution
over 200 years ago that dealt with this and most Americans cherish those rights. In 50 years Mexico may be where the USA was 200 years ago- if they
are lucky.
Doug?
[Edited on 2-8-2010 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
| Quote: | Originally posted by audiobaja
No, I'm out. I don't see the "peace and love" here when people start threatening me and my family. It was just for diversion during these slow
times anyway. Bye guys. |
You see? you don't know what your talking about. Nobody is threatening anybody, i am just poiting out to you that your comments here could easily be
interpreted as meddling in domestic politics, and obviously land you in trouble. Not by me, i am actually giving you a heads up so you don't expose
yourself to anything, but i guess i should of just shut my mouth and let you find trouble on your own.
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This is a funny (interesting) exchange. I've always likened the nomad forums as kind of like chatting in a pub in Mexico ...there are certain themes
that you just don't discuss - like politics and narcos...nothing good is going to come out of it.
But for me it has nothing to do with what anybody is going to do LEGALLY - in fact that angle would be the least of my concerns.
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I must have missed something. 
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Obviously, audiobaja's posts have been deleted. I'm guessing self-edit. Both Jesse and David make an important and helpful point regarding the
restrictions on non-Mexican citizens. It appears that Jesse has knowledge of other activities of this nature engaged in by audiobaja. I doubt that
anything done approached the magnitude of the poster child for such offenses, Nancy Conroy. To a certain extent, I don't have a problem with a nation
placing some restrictions on the words and deeds of foreigners. I believe that the less strength and history a nation has in its foundational
structure, the more likely you will encounter restrictions. I realize that often, folks will move to a foreign country, and make a major financial
investment, feeling that such investment entitles one to be able to speak and act their mind.
What I find ironic is that there are members of this forum who either have "fled" or are planning to "flee" to Mexico because they feel that the US
political, economic, and social fabric are going to Hades in a handbasket. Perhaps some might wish to rethink this, and stay in the US where they can
freely protest with both word and deed.
[Edited on 2-8-2010 by Bajahowodd]
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Obviously, audiobaja's posts have been deleted. I'm guessing self-edit. Both Jesse and David make an important and helpful point regarding the
restrictions on non-Mexican citizens. It appears that Jesse has knowledge of other activities of this nature engaged in by audiobaja. I doubt that
anything done approached the magnitude of the poster child for such offenses, Nancy Conroy. To a certain extent, I don't have a problem with a nation
placing some restrictions on the words and deeds of foreigners. I believe that the less strength and history a nation has in its foundational
structure, the more likely you will encounter restrictions. I realize that often, folks will move to a foreign country, and make a major financial
investment, feeling that such investment entitles one to be able to speak and act their mind.
What I find ironic is that there are members of this forum who either have "fled" or are planning to "flee" to Mexico because they feel that the US
political, economic, and social fabric are going to Hades in a handbasket. Perhaps some might wish to rethink this, and stay in the US where they can
freely protest with both word and deed.
[Edited on 2-8-2010 by Bajahowodd] |
Great points. Rosarito Beach actively invited the 10,000 Americans to move to Mexico, but no one needs to accept that invitation and probably
shouldn't if they plan on being anything other than a passive resident. Bring your money and shut your mouth. Check your values and civil rights at
the border and come on down. I don't think that's in the Baja Relocation handbook yet though...
And now I am wondering... is my pro-Tijuana Avatar illegal? geesh
[Edited on 2-8-2010 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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No tire basura?
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
No tire basura? |
but the group is called Reacciona Tijuana- a grass roots political organization seeking to empower Mexicans and create positive change. If I join
their Facebook group will I be deported? 
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
What I find ironic is that there are members of this forum who either have "fled" or are planning to "flee" to Mexico because they feel that the US
political, economic, and social fabric are going to Hades in a handbasket. Perhaps some might wish to rethink this, and stay in the US where they can
freely protest with both word and deed.
[Edited on 2-8-2010 by Bajahowodd] |
Do you know this to be the case of Nomads "fleeing" to Baja or are you just presuming? Are you just now rethinking about our freedoms here in the US
as compared to Mexico?
Ken
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
Is BajaNomads a Mexican or USA based blog? What if you post from the USA? If you post from the USA to a USA blog- how does it become illegal
protesting within Mexico? Because someone in Mexico reads it?...
Doug? |
The bajanomad.com site resides on US-based equipment - currently in Atlanta and San Diego.
Technicalities aside, if you're physically in Mexico and are a foreigner that could be considered as having been "meddling" in Mexican politics -
whether online or in-person - you risk being picked up "on the radar" somewhere/somehow by somebody. Seems pretty simple to me - and should come as
no surprise to anyone engaging in such activity/behavior.
JMHO,
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Sharksbaja
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Mystery no more....
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
No tire basura? |
but the group is called Reacciona Tijuana- a grass roots political organization seeking to empower Mexicans and create positive change. If I join
their Facebook group will I be deported? |
Yes............well maybe! Don't forget to make sure to include photos, full legal names and addresses, political affiliations, sex, race, religion
and most importantly, financial status.... are embedded in your profile....you get the idea.
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Bajahowodd
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tripledigitken
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
What I find ironic is that there are members of this forum who either have "fled" or are planning to "flee" to Mexico because they feel that the US
political, economic, and social fabric are going to Hades in a handbasket. Perhaps some might wish to rethink this, and stay in the US where they can
freely protest with both word and deed.
[Edited on 2-8-2010 by Bajahowodd] |
Do you know this to be the case of Nomads "fleeing" to Baja or are you just presuming? Are you just now rethinking about our freedoms here in the US
as compared to Mexico?
Ken |
On question #1- I have read posts on this and other Baja forums that make just this point.
On question #2- I'm not rethinking anything. There are many aspects to how one perceives their own quality of life. There are many places around the
world that offer the opportunity to live a contented life. The US does not hold a monopoly. The US has its 1st Amendment to its Constitution. No one
need fear being punished by the authorities for exercising their opinion. But that doesn't mean that some interest group won't make life miserable for
you if they disagree.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
And now I am wondering... is my pro-Tijuana Avatar illegal? geesh
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The authorities have done an exemplary job of terrorizing you, Woooosh. They have you right where they want you. Good boy. 
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
No tire basura? |
but the group is called Reacciona Tijuana- a grass roots political organization seeking to empower Mexicans and create positive change. If I join
their Facebook group will I be deported? |
Yes............well maybe! Don't forget to make sure to include photos, full legal names and addresses, political affiliations, sex, race, religion
and most importantly, financial status.... are embedded in your profile....you get the idea. |
And some nomads insist on using their real names? Doug make a good point and even he considers it only his "opinion". No nomads want to make Mexico a
worse or more unstable place to live. We all want Mexico to move forward. I post from both sides of the border- wherever I happen to be. I doubt a
government that still uses carbon paper is going to focus on Blogs and Baja Nomads has had a political forum area for many years. If you do good
works for Mexico (peace, love, no basura) your local gov't and neighbors will love you.
If you are anti-Mexico and make a show of it by joining protests and violate Mexican law- good luck to you. Nancy Conroy (gringo gazette) formed a
Mexican company, accepted Mexican advertising dollars and then put her opinions in print and in every Rosarito store. Very different from a nomads
post. JMHO
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Well, gettin back on topic, it looks like Teo's gang is indeed a thing of the past, his top two leaders arrested this morning.
Its a good day for baja norte.
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I can't believe that voicing one's opinion is a political act unless it's designed to entice listeners to act in a subversive way.
OK....back on topic. Sorry.
[Edited on 2-8-2010 by DENNIS]
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
Well, gettin back on topic, it looks like Teo's gang is indeed a thing of the past, his top two leaders arrested this morning.
Its a good day for baja norte. |
a very good day. Seems like a lot of equipment for two arrests, or were there many more arrests including Teo's top two?
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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If your in Mexico, it is their county period.. You do what they say.. if you don't like you leave.. that is the way down here.. it is NOT the United
States
I personally don't have a problem with shutting up.. yeah I know Dennis, but I don't have a problem staying out of Mexican politics and they're
dealing with their problems.. I will set in the back of the room and keep my mouth shut..
As far as the other "The US has its 1st Amendment to its Constitution. No one need fear being punished by the authorities for exercising their
opinion." I have serious doubts about it myself from personal experience which I do not intend to share here.. but, If you don't think you can end up
in JAIL for speaking words ... think again.. a verbal threat in todays America can get you 20 years.. Check it out... if proven in court you are
making a terrorist threat ... and now we are talking political correctness.. Watch out..
As for me.. coming down here.. I have always liked it down here.. there are less people.. my wife at the being of 2009 took me for a drive.. we
started in Carlsbad on the Highway 1.. and drove all the way down to Tory Pines.. I had been well over 10 years since I had gotten out and saw the
ocean.. well, there was not ONE place to park on the road all the way... I mean the parking spaces were all taken by 7 a.m... well that just sucks in
my book.. I don't want to live in a place like that anymore.. sorry..
I hear others voicing the same thing, Soulpatch is moving with his family from the United States.. he is not running, he is making an informed
decision based on the accumulation of knowledge which has and still continues to obtain from his work daily, along with his wife.. I know others which
I have communicated with that are concluding the same.. no one is running.. and I don't think anyone is really trying to TELL the Mexican people how
to run their Country.. used to call it "setting around the cracker barrel"
Well, there are too many of us to fit into the old store around the cracker barrel so this it..
But, its fun, and I think the exchange of idea's and thoughts, all of them, is healthy and normal.. no matter who or where on is..
Two fella's were working on the front of the house we rent.. leaks like a sieve when it rain.. don't care, it's not mine and it dry up after the
rain.. but, they had been told that the window leak.. not from me.. but they were fixing them listening to he radio.. I couldn't understand, but they
kept laughing hard every once in a while.. finally asked them what are you guys laughing about.. Talk radio, they were listening to talk radio, and
the callers were talking about everything.. marriage, cheating, bad restaurants, fishing, any thing kind of like here...
And this one guy has a real good sense of humor, which I really enjoy.. he shows up and ask for permission to come inside.. he knows I'm messed up and
spend most of my time in bed.. but he comes in and needs to get a ladder... and goes to the rear of the house and then stops before going outside..
and starts talking to me.. Why is your wife? Oh, she went up to the states for a while.. WHAT!!! she left YOU here all by yourself.. why, yes.. She
left you here, really... all by yourself.. I said yeah, it not a big deal.. I got some tamales and burrito's in the refrigerator.. He starts smiling
and laughing..... Not anymore!!!! then I just bust up over his quick humor.. and he asks if there is anything he can do for me..
A nice man.. with an excellent sense of humor, who I find is like most all of the people I continue to met down here.. maybe I'm just lucky, so far..
but have just found the folks down here to really be just good people... that's my story and I'm sticking to it..
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wessongroup
If your in Mexico, it is their county period.. |
Who said otherwise? My point is, there's a big difference between Rabble-Rousing and having a discussion. It's been implied here, now and in the
past, that the mere mention of a subject will get you excommunicated. That's nonsense.
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Its not too complicated, you can discuss things, make some observations, but refrain from doing it often and naming specific individuals, that should
be left for gringo citizens of Mexico or mexican born people. audiobaja was doing both, wich i consider risky since he also has a business in town.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
audiobaja was doing both, wich i consider risky since he also has a business in town. |
What happened? Where did he go? Did you do something here or have something done, Jesse? John's board history is wiped out. All that's left is his
activity in OT.
Do you have any idea what happened to his records here?
What's up, Doug? How does a man's posting history disappear? What did he do?
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