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Skipjack Joe
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You may want to break it in slowly. Start with
"Roll over Beethoven"
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k-rico
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or some Rossini
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j97EJQ1z7nY
[Edited on 3-3-2010 by k-rico]
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ELINVESTIG8R
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I love eating my food at Mama Espinoza's with just a tortilla. That is how I grew up eating in Mexico. You should have seen me sitting at a garbage
can with a chewed on tortilla in my hand eating from the garbage when I was a homeless kid running around Mexico. 
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I personally don't care for classical music, too white and european, but i do have a good story about Mexicans and music. We were camping at Santispac
several years back, when a vender "Francisco" proposed making woven bracelets w/names on them. He had his daughter , who was learning the process,and
granddaughter with him. We had him make bracelets for our 5 grandaughters back in the us. This process took a couple hours. while he was working i
played my collection of mexican/american music artists. Linda Rhondstat, Los Lobos, The super seven, playing cansiones de me Padre and other classical
mexican music. We all enjoyed the time we spent together. A week or so later we saw the same family in santa rosalia when the daughter saw us she said
to her dad there's the people with the bonita musica. We've been friends ever since.
No spell checkers were harmed in the preperation of this post.
Dorado Don
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bajabass
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Back to PMMS and cultural differences. What is it about sons, that make their mothers treat them like princes and let them get away with murder on a
daily basis. 
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shari
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Mood: there is no reality except the one contained within us "Herman Hesse"
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I understand, respect and value the dignity of mexicanos...eating with a spoon or not having been exposed to classical music is simply an observed
cultural difference .....in some parts of remote baja and does NOT imply they lack culture.
Naturally one cannot generalize about any culture but our comments are based on where we live and the people here...I do not find it bigoted....and I
believe the more foreigners understand and learn about the culture....the more harmonious we may become....through sharing.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by El Comadante Loco
This thread show a lack of understanding, respect, dignity, values, and does not do anything to promote harmony between two cultures..
I am sure the posted comment and the general reference made regarding Mexicans and Classical Music was not done in a bigoted malicious manner but was
rather given out of ignorance and cultural blindness. It is time to keep these types of generalizations of any culture or people off this web,,
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I really read Jan's post more as a cultural/generation statement---one that could apply to any culture----the enjoyment of soothing music away from
the confusion of home life, an escape. Now if the classical music was Wagner, well, not so soothing.  But in this case, I didn't see any real generalization or cultural statement---at least not the way I read it.
But I do agree that often generalizations about the different cultures are made---what is observed in one place is generalized for the entire culture
and Mexico really is a country of many cultures, and many languages. I cringe whenever I read, "Mexicans say, or do, or believe, etc." I agree that
while it is easy to generalize, and I know I have been guilty of doing same, it is not OK.
And it is downright silly to think that anyone does not have culture---it just have different definitions, as does the idea of class. The ceremonial
killing goats and drinking the blood is high class culture in some places.
Your post was thoughtful and a reminder that we all have different definitions for things like culture.
Thanks
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Woooosh
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My Mexican relatives enjoy the (mostly) traditional gringo Thanksgiving feast we prepare. Every year they try so hard to use knives and forks
properly- but we tell them it's OK to use the home-made tortillas we also serve. Tortillas are truly the Mexican cutlery tool of choice and make good
sanitary sense. They do think it's fun to try out the silverware and we all laugh together, especially with the youngsters. I also showed them how
to twirl a few strands of spaghetti onto their forks on the side of their plate- instead of chopping it all up into small pieces and eating it with a
spoon. These small cultural differences bring us together through sharing and laughter. Why would we all want to be the same?
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Gypsy Jan
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I Have Been Doing a Duck-and-Cover
Ever since I made this post.
Well, at least the Nomads are getting fired up in the grand tradition of JR Baja.
Without belaboring the subject, let me restate what I originally posted.
My Mexican housekeeper who considers us a part of her family made a spontaneous statement to me about how much she enjoys the classical music she
hears when she comes to our home and how it enriches her life.
I was startled and humbled, first by her statement of appreciation, and, second, by the fact that she shared with me such intimate details of her
family life.
Also, she informed me that she doesn't need to take pain pills when she goes home because the music has worked for her.
[Edited on 3-4-2010 by Gypsy Jan]
“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow mindedness.”
—Mark Twain
\"La vida es dura, el corazon es puro, y cantamos hasta la madrugada.” (Life is hard, the heart is pure and we sing until dawn.)
—Kirsty MacColl, Mambo de la Luna
\"Alea iacta est.\"
—Julius Caesar
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bajabass
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I'd say she needs an I-Pod and headphones for Mother's Day. Considering the emotion you felt, I think she is part of your family as well!
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Gypsy Jan
Ever since I made this post.
Well, at least the Nomads are getting fired up in the grand tradition of JR Baja.
Without belaboring the subject, let me restate what I originally posted.
My Mexican housekeeper who considers us a part of her family made a spontaneous statement to me about how much she enjoys the classical music she
hears when she comes to our home and how it enriches her life.
I was startled and humbled, first by her statement of appreciation, and, second, by the fact that she shared with me such intimate details of her
family life.
Also, she informed me that she doesn't need to take pain pills when she goes home because the music has worked for her.
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Oh.. Why didn't ya say so?  guess I got carried away.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Skipjack Joe
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Shari,
You poor woman. It must be insufferable.
[Edited on 3-4-2010 by Skipjack Joe]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
My Mexican relatives enjoy the (mostly) traditional gringo Thanksgiving feast we prepare. Every year they try so hard to use knives and forks
properly- but we tell them it's OK to use the home-made tortillas we also serve. Tortillas are truly the Mexican cutlery tool of choice and make good
sanitary sense. They do think it's fun to try out the silverware and we all laugh together, especially with the youngsters. I also showed them how
to twirl a few strands of spaghetti onto their forks on the side of their plate- instead of chopping it all up into small pieces and eating it with a
spoon. These small cultural differences bring us together through sharing and laughter. Why would we all want to be the same?
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I really liked what you said Mr. Woooosh! Vive la différence!
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I wonder what they do with the Symphony Orchestras and Opera houses one sees all over Mexico. I wonder what Plácido Domingo and José Carreras and the
now deceased Italian opera singer Luciano Pavarotti, who sang in many venues in Mexico including Chitzen Itza might say about this subject. I could go
on.
I really appreciate Jan’s use of the phrase Cultural Differences; this reflects a viewpoint that would serve us all well.
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Osprey
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I was gonna say "Let's all celebrate our cultural differences" until I thought how that would play here. I'm thinking about my Mexican neighbors who
are forced by Mexican law to max out the volumn control on the grabador with Banda at 2:30 in the ho hum or how they like my Rockin' In The Oldies
with the 50's on Sirius on my big patio West Marina vocinas at 9 when my wife has gone shopping.
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Apples and oranges.
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Osprey
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Grapes and pears
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MitchMan
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Mussolini liked classical music.
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MitchMan
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An improvement in culture is found among those things that encourage a people to treat each other better and better and that expand constructive
enrichment to the life experience. I think a culture is improved through education, promotion of a work ethic both physically and intellectually,
promotion of humanity and compassion, and in the appreciation of fair play.
Sorry, classical music is not the hallmark of genuine culture. Perhaps a deeper appreciation of Mariachi music and learning local traditional dance
would be the equivalent to your soul.
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Gypsy Jan
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Subtle Differences
It's the sharing of special interests that come up in our encounters with people that counts.
“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow mindedness.”
—Mark Twain
\"La vida es dura, el corazon es puro, y cantamos hasta la madrugada.” (Life is hard, the heart is pure and we sing until dawn.)
—Kirsty MacColl, Mambo de la Luna
\"Alea iacta est.\"
—Julius Caesar
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